and the rarest 6ers are.....

Brucey · Post by **Brucey** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:07 am

type 5352: 635 CSi catalyst, ECE, R 01/86-05/87 1886001 - 1886058

-58 produced

and in a close-run second place:

type 5132: 628 CSi, ECE, R 09/80-02/82 5595001 - 5595066

-66 produced

according to the production figures....

and where are they now? Well all but a handful of the E24/1 628s have rotted to oblivion.....

cheers

DesktopDave · Post by **DesktopDave** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:32 am

Is there a list somewhere by type, or did you infer this by production number ranges?

Sixes are rare in general...and rust casualties have been very high. Particularly the early e-12 based cars, seems to me.

I haven't seen another six around here for a year or so, come to think of it. Old imports just slowly dissolve in our humid cool climate. Salt doesn't help much either.

Paul Humpage · Post by **Paul Humpage** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:04 am

Bugger! 1887165. Common as muck.

JCS · Post by **JCS** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:03 am

Dave, Here you go.

http://e-24.ru/eng/theory/tech/vin/

MrE · Post by **MrE** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:24 am

Brown ones??

1887217

AusE24 · Post by **AusE24** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:11 am

Paul Humpage wrote:Bugger! 1887165. Common as muck.

Paul,

Your 6 may have been rubbing shoulders with my red one 1887148 being 17 build no's apart.

While on the subject. Are the 188 build no's Australian Delivery (Possibly New Zealand) Only?

Regards

Greg

Chris Wright · Post by **Chris Wright** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:23 am

DesktopDave wrote:Is there a list somewhere by type, or did you infer this by production number ranges?

Sixes are rare in general...and rust casualties have been very high. Particularly the early e-12 based cars, seems to me.

I haven't seen another six around here for a year or so, come to think of it. Old imports just slowly dissolve in our humid cool climate. Salt doesn't help much either.

Here is a page of links looking at the production data in different ways:
http://www.6ercoupe.de/englisch/fakten00.html

horsetan · Post by **horsetan** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:27 pm

I can only remember about four working 633 "TWR Hallmarks".

DesktopDave · Post by **DesktopDave** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:26 pm

That's some fun info. So mein 6-er was 452 of 950 in the "633 CSi USA LHD" run. Though it's marked a 633CSiA on the pillar, likely they all carried that sticker.

Seems to me that 3/82 is a bit early for the e28 chassis changeover, but I'm assuming that these numbers seem to follow the major changes, like specific motors, Bosch DME's and/or chassis types.

This board is great (in case you fellas didn't know). I've only been here like 20 posts and I already feel like I know a bit about the cars. I'd never have considered tackling a project like this without this site's care & feeding directions. What would fixing old cars be like without the web to share?

Brucey · Post by **Brucey** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:07 pm

DesktopDave wrote: Seems to me that 3/82 is a bit early for the e28 chassis changeover, but I'm assuming that these numbers seem to follow the major changes, like specific motors, Bosch DME's and/or chassis types.

interesting point that.... the following US 633 series, (type code 5274) shows 6725001- 6728592 starting in 3/82. I ran the first few chassis numbers in the ETK and it showed;

5001 3/82 E12 underpinnings
5002 to 5004 6/82 E12 underpinnings
5005- 9/82-on E28 underpinnings

now this could be reflecting an error in the ETK database, but on the other hand it might not....

also 635 type code 5381 (8180000 on, starting 2/82) shows;

0001-0008 2/82-4/82 E12 underpinnings?
0009- 0137 5/82* E12 or E28 underpinnings?

(* note; some show as 4/82 in this range, i.e. may not have been manufactured in strict chassis number order)

again, is this real, or an anomaly in the data?

I have heard of 6ers that had 'odd' specifications that were manufactured around changeover points but I've never seen one with my own eyes....

-glad you like it here BTW...

cheers

DesktopDave · Post by **DesktopDave** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:50 pm

I'm going with "error in the database" here. It fits in nicely with my "Bavarian production workers drink a LOT of beer" theory.

Perhaps different markets had slightly lengthened cutoff dates? Or leftover parts in the pipeline were bolted together in longer batches?

Chris Wright · Post by **Chris Wright** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:17 pm

Very confusing, just what do the type codes reflect??

Brucey, are you using RealOEM/BMW fans or do you have a different ETK?

This is what I have in my notes. The Motronic matches with what people have posted, but I believe the e12/e24 chassis changeover I got from RealOEM.

05/81 - Motronic introduced to 635 Engine in e12 chassis (In Euro Spec.cars - Not US Spec.)
09/81 - Motronic introduced to 633 Engine in e12 chassis (In US Spec.cars - Not Euro's)
06/82 - Last e12 chassis (No listing for 7/82 or 8/82 - is 9/82 first e28 chassis??)

MrtnEbb · Post by **MrtnEbb** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:38 pm

Mine is #5591475 production date 01/1981 and has factory Motronic M90 3453ccm engine. I believe Motronic were introduced late 1980..

ozbmw · Post by **ozbmw** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:18 pm

1887268,

Paul the 1887xxx series were the RHD CAT ECE Auto models with 1887270 being the last one made. I don't think any rhd ones were made after 12/88.
My car was the 3rd last cat equipped rhd and was completed on 19th December 1988.

Paul Humpage · Post by **Paul Humpage** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:36 pm

DesktopDave wrote: Or leftover parts in the pipeline were bolted together in longer batches?

Mine and Ellis's car are only a month or two apart but he has different fonts and labels on his interior switchgear and it seems that BMW just used parts until they ran out and then switched to whatever was next on the shelf.

Brucey · Post by **Brucey** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:53 pm

Chris Wright wrote:Very confusing, just what do the type codes reflect??

Brucey, are you using RealOEM/BMW fans or do you have a different ETK?

This is what I have in my notes. The Motronic matches with what people have posted, but I believe the e12/e24 chassis changeover I got from RealOEM.

05/81 - Motronic introduced to 635 Engine in e12 chassis (In Euro Spec.cars - Not US Spec.)
09/81 - Motronic introduced to 633 Engine in e12 chassis (In US Spec.cars - Not Euro's)
06/82 - Last e12 chassis (No listing for 7/82 or 8/82 - is 9/82 first e28 chassis??)

I've been using bmwfans mostly, and entering VIN numbers to see which parts come up. Where I've checked it, the data agrees with other ETKs I have been able to access, but I've not used realoem for this. In BMWfans you can skip the 'date' and 'transmission' selections and it shows parts with a date range. This agrees with the data for individual VINs.

Motronic change was sept/oct '80 for several 6er models
First E28 chassis /last E12 appears to be 5/82 (although there may be E12 stragglers...?)
I was surprised to see that some chassis numbers in type code sequence overlapped the chassis change dates...but most do not.
I have also found that a few type codes have production numbers that may be 'wrong' in that the BMWfans database does not confirm the existence of some car VINs, e.g. TC 5332, #s 5550826 to 5550832 are not recognised.

cheers

MrE · Post by **MrE** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:22 pm

Paul Humpage wrote:
DesktopDave wrote: Or leftover parts in the pipeline were bolted together in longer batches?
Mine and Ellis's car are only a month or two apart but he has different fonts and labels on his interior switchgear and it seems that BMW just used parts until they ran out and then switched to whatever was next on the shelf.

I was just thinking the same thing, it took us four years or so to notice different decals around the HVAC sliders etc. Only minor, but they're there. I've just noticed now from the pics that the fader wheel is quite different though.

Paul's is a June '86 build and mine's October '86.

Are the styles and designs of the controls & labels etc the same in other BMWs of the era, or are these specific to the 6?

Paul & I have also noticed differences in the plumbing of our brake's hydraulic systems, with the piping layout, master cylinder etc on the left & right side of the block.

Brucey · Post by **Brucey** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:25 pm

changes in RHD models include the MC move in 9/86 (IIRC). I forget when the motronic changed for RHD 635 models...

The ventilation controls may not just look different; they may also work different; at some point the flap controls went from mechnical to electrically powered; I don't know if this coincides with the change in appearance of the controls or not though.

'owing to our policy of continual improvement all specifications are subject to change without notice'......

no kidding! They just couldn't leave anything alone.....

cheers

sharkfan · Post by **sharkfan** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:59 pm

Brucey wrote:
DesktopDave wrote: Seems to me that 3/82 is a bit early for the e28 chassis changeover, but I'm assuming that these numbers seem to follow the major changes, like specific motors, Bosch DME's and/or chassis types.

interesting point that.... the following US 633 series, (type code 5274) shows 6725001- 6728592 starting in 3/82. I ran the first few chassis numbers in the ETK and it showed;

5001 3/82 E12 underpinnings
5002 to 5004 6/82 E12 underpinnings
5005- 9/82-on E28 underpinnings

now this could be reflecting an error in the ETK database, but on the other hand it might not....

also 635 type code 5381 (8180000 on, starting 2/82) shows;

0001-0008 2/82-4/82 E12 underpinnings?
0009- 0137 5/82* E12 or E28 underpinnings?

(* note; some show as 4/82 in this range, i.e. may not have been manufactured in strict chassis number order)

again, is this real, or an anomaly in the data?

I have heard of 6ers that had 'odd' specifications that were manufactured around changeover points but I've never seen one with my own eyes....

-glad you like it here BTW...

cheers

I have chassis number 8185057 which BMW gave birth to in 6/1982 and it is an E28 based 635CSi but with a 3 speed auto gearbox; given the fallout rate it's probably one of the earliest E28 based cars alive.

Kaotiq635 · Post by **Kaotiq635** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:00 am

Brucey wrote:type 5352: 635 CSi catalyst, ECE, R 01/86-05/87 1886001 - 1886058

-58 produced

Which are the Australian delivery Manual transmission cars.

As for where they are, #34 is in my Garage :)

Cheers,
Iain

ph33rX · Post by **ph33rX** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:22 am

MrE wrote:
Paul Humpage wrote:
DesktopDave wrote: Or leftover parts in the pipeline were bolted together in longer batches?

Great photo (i'm serious).. everytime I try get a photo of the little black bit near the aircon it comes out too dark. If you don't mind I'm going to steal it and rehost it on Looking for parts forum :)

viewtopic.php?t=17031

nagaro635 · Post by **nagaro635** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:25 pm

Mine is 1887235, whic like 'ozbmw' makes it one of the very last. It has the Australian compliance plate showing 2/89

John

station105 · Post by **station105** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:42 am

635 csi - 1982 - aust. delivered - manual - recaros - arctic blue
pre-delivery check in germany 24.6.82
1560 mile inspection grand prix bmw in hawthorn on 18.8.83
and has had number PLATE of BM 0635 from the start
i have had the car for the last 20 years, 300k and engine still running strong,

regards

richard

ron · Post by **ron** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:02 am

Probably THE rarest 6!! I'm selling soon.

M635forever · Post by **M635forever** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:35 am

This 635 cab was build by a popular swedish carmagazine in 1992, is now for sale for 145k swedish kr, wich is around 12k ? and in $ around 23k.
Its really well build, and has only been out on road just for meetings nearby.
http://data.bytbil.com/largepics.cgi?si ... arsta/2011

bigcoupe.com

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