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Barry

M635 CSi Workshop Manuals ans Part Caralogues

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Happy New Year!

Has anyone owning an Australian delivered 1986 M635 CSi been able to source a Workshop Manual and Parts Caralogue for their car?

If so, I am keen to hear about the details.

Cheers,

Barry
Chris Wright

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The parts Catalogs cover all of the car models and specs, including yours. Just enter your car information or VIN number:

There are 3 Online Parts Catalogs:

RealOEM.com, the original and I still find it the fastest to navigate if you are still on dialup:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/select.do?vi ... E24&arch=1

BMWFans, more graphic, so slower for dialup, but if you click on the part number in the right hand column, it will show you all of the other cars the part was used on. Very handy for hunting at the salvage yard:
http://bmwfans.info/original/E24/Cou/

Maximillian Importing (US based), they will sell you the part, but the price isn't much better then the dealer:
http://www.bmwmobiletradition-online.com/bmw/
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In terms of a workshop manual this is a good resource.

http://www.bmwtechinfo.com/repair/main/631en/index.htm

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Hi Barry
I have a paper copy of a genuine BMW manual. Please PM me if you need any more info
Cheers
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Re: M635 CSi Workshop Manuals ans Part Caralogues

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Barry wrote:Happy New Year!

Has anyone owning an Australian delivered 1986 M635 CSi been able to source a Workshop Manual and Parts Catalogue for their car?

If so, I am keen to hear about the details.

Cheers,

Barry
Hi Barry,
An Alpina B10 M635!!??

Your car would have to be one of the rarest on the planet!! Do you have photos, and/or a story?
Chris Wright

Post by Chris Wright »

Here is a list of resources that my be helpful, they are mostly for U.S. Spec cars but are basically the same as the Euro, you just have to keep a sharp eye out for the differences:

(the same list can always be found here: viewtopic.php?t=10410)
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Here is a cut & paste of some standard information I've gathered, maybe you have already seen it, but if not, it may be of use. In any case, bookmark them:

There are some things you will definitely need:

There are no aftermarket repair manuals for the Six, but it shares the same engine, drivetrain, suspension and many systems with the 5-Series so the Bentley BMW 5-Series '82 to '88 Manual (Green cover, $38 at Amazon.com) works very well. The "Driveablity" and the fuel injection sections alone are worth the price for diagnosing running problems.
http://www.amazon.com/BMW-5-Service-Man ... 459&sr=8-3


ETM (Electrical Troubleshooting Manual, aka "wiring diagram"). It is a very good manual, and everyone needs to have this. You really can't work on the car without it. Here is a Site with free downloads of ETM's (PDF files -13 to 20 MB) for various years ('82 to '01) and models of BMW's (3/5/6/7/8/Z):
http://wedophones.com/BMWManualsLead.htm

Free Downloadable Factory Workshop Manual (U.S. Spec after '82 - e28 based, including the M6) and a separate Factory Specification Book (you need the Spec book because torques/specs are not included in the Workshop Manual, however, most torques are given in the Bentley manual). The Workshop Manual is not the greatest, but you can't beat the price, and it is invaluable for the things not covered in the Bentley. It basically just lists the steps for replacing parts, very little in the way of Troubleshooting or System Descriptions are included, so it is best to still get the Bentley, and use the Factory Manual for e24 specific things that aren't in the Bentley:
viewtopic.php?p=53625

Online Factory Workshop Manual. It is similar to the downloadable Manual above, but it additionally covers the early, e12 based cars - 630 to 633 before '82, as well as, the later cars and the M6. It is also for U.S. Spec. :
http://www.bmwtechinfo.com/repair/main/

Downloadable ZF 4HP-22/24 Automatic Transmission Overhaul Manual It has a fault chart, shows a complete overhaul and has the procedure for the "fix" for the "A" clutch pack:
http://bmwzone.ro/forums/post-a14824-.html
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There is also an Online ETM for an '85. It has much clearer component location pictures then the downloaded ETM's:
http://www.stormpages.com/countchocula1/bmw/etm002.htm
(The component location listings and pictures at the end of the ETM are invaluable as you find your way around the new car)

A gold mine of articles and how-to's:
BigCoupeGroup Tech Library ;
Not to be confused with BigCoup.com, don't forget their Tech Articles also.

An online Vin Decoder:
http://www.bmw-z1.com/VIN/VINdecode-e.cgi

Site showing BMW wheels with their data, pictures and the cars they came on: It's in German, but with the pictures, it doesn't matter much.
http://felgenkatalog.auto-treff.com/

And last but not least, there are 3 Online Parts Catalogs: __

For parts, the lowest prices I've found on the net: check all 3 when looking for parts (they also make good references):

http://www.AutoHausAZ.com
http://www.Pelicanparts.com
http://www.BavAuto.com (Great Catalog, order it, it's free)
DRPM635CSi

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Post by DRPM635CSi »

gwm635 wrote:
Barry wrote:Happy New Year!

Has anyone owning an Australian delivered 1986 M635 CSi been able to source a Workshop Manual and Parts Catalogue for their car?

If so, I am keen to hear about the details.

Cheers,

Barry
Hi Barry,
An Alpina B10 M635!!??

Your car would have to be one of the rarest on the planet!! Do you have photos, and/or a story?
See here Garry. It isn't an M635 at all. It's an Australian built B10 3.5 Kat assembled here from parts with M635 airdam and brakes.
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Post by Rob Lord »

I recently bought a 1980 635csi as a parts car, but on closer inspection it might be worth a resto (but a lot of work). Unfortunately, since the car came off the road in 2006 the previous owners have pulled some of it apart and I'm having trouble as a result.
It has the early style manifold and injection system. The TDC sensor has been disconnected from the loom and I think the loom cut???? I cannot find where this should connect into the loom and then into the control unit.
Does anyone have an electrical manual/wiring diagram for this earlier system? The links below are great but they are a little different to this car (and my M6 is of course different again).

Thanks for any help you can give, its a fantastic forum...well done.
Rob Lord

1986 M635
1930 Riley Nine
1977 Alfetta
Chris Wright

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Rob Lord wrote:I recently bought a 1980 635csi as a parts car, but on closer inspection it might be worth a resto (but a lot of work). Unfortunately, since the car came off the road in 2006 the previous owners have pulled some of it apart and I'm having trouble as a result.
It has the early style manifold and injection system. The TDC sensor has been disconnected from the loom and I think the loom cut???? I cannot find where this should connect into the loom and then into the control unit.
Does anyone have an electrical manual/wiring diagram for this earlier system? The links below are great but they are a little different to this car (and my M6 is of course different again).

Thanks for any help you can give, its a fantastic forum...well done.
If you are talking about the TDC sensor at the front crank balancer, you can forget about it. It is not connected to anything other then the diagnostic plug, it is not used for anything other then test and tune up service equipment at the dealer. It has no connection to the running of the engine at all. The Motronic uses the two pick-ups on the bell housing.
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Post by Rob Lord »

That makes sense............. The injectors aren't firing, so I take it the sensors to clean that everyone says are critical are the bell housing ones.

Thanks for your help.
Rob Lord

1986 M635
1930 Riley Nine
1977 Alfetta
Chris Wright

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Rob Lord wrote:That makes sense............. The injectors aren't firing,
Do you have the L-Jet or the Motronic system?

First, check and see if there is power at the Red/white wires at the injectosr with the key on, it may be a bad Main (or Combo) Relay that is not powering them. The ECU grounds them to fire them.
so I take it the sensors to clean that everyone says are critical are the bell housing ones.

Thanks for your help.
Checking the Bellhousing Speed and Reference Sensors: (plugs Located in the rear brace between the valve cover and intake manifold)
  • Check the plugs to the sensors first, the plastic can get brittle with age and they can crack around the wire locking bail leaving them loose. Then check their resistance as below (won't hurt to check them both hot and cold if the car's hard starting is temperature sensitive):
<a><img src="http://bigcoupe.com/ims/pic.php?u=21GvpX2&i=349" border="0"></a>
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Post by Rob Lord »

The car was built 01/80 so is L-jetronic. I think the plug postion on the brace between valve cover and manifold you refer to is for the motronic system??????

This weekend I'll check out the relays etc as suggested and hopefully thats it.

Thanks again.
Rob Lord

1986 M635
1930 Riley Nine
1977 Alfetta
Chris Wright

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Rob Lord wrote:The car was built 01/80 so is L-jetronic. I think the plug position on the brace between valve cover and manifold you refer to is for the motronic system??????

This weekend I'll check out the relays etc as suggested and hopefully thats it.

Thanks again.
Sorry, I constantly get the dates on the switch from L-Jet to Motronic confused between the US spec and the Euro, the chart I have shows the Euro 635 as getting Motronic in '80, but I think he means it was introduced in '80 for the "81 model year!

In any case, yes the bellhousing sensors are for he Motronic. Below are some stock links for the E12 based cars (you will need to sort through to see what might apply to your Euro). In particular, there is a link for checking and repairing the L-Jet Combo relay:
http://www.firstfives.org/faq/ljet/combo_fix.html

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Here is a boilerplate cut & past of some standard information I've gathered over time, maybe you have already seen it, but if not, it may be of use:

Even though all of the 6-Series cars are designated as the "e24" chassis, there was a change point in mid '82. Before then, the e24 shared many of it's components with the e12, 5-Series, and is referred to as "First Generation", "Series 1" or "e12 based". After '82, it shared with the e28, 5-Series ("Series 2" or "e28 based"). (06/82 is generally accepted as the change point, but be careful, not all parts changed over on that date).

There are no after market manuals for the 6-Series cars, so most people get the Bentley 5-Series '83-'88 manual if they have an e28 based Sixer, but Bentley doesn't make one for the e12. I'm told that Haynes had an e12 manual, but I guess they are out of print and getting hard to find.

New!
Here is a better Online Manual from the Factory DVD
that has info for both the e12 and e28 based cars and the Euro Factory Specs and Torques as well as for Japan and the US. It is also primarily a browser/link based format with only the specs/torques in PDF files so it is faster then the primarily PDF graphic based Online Manual previously posted and the photo's seem much clearer also: BMW 628csi - M635csi (M6) - e12/e28 Workshop Manual

Here is the original PDF based Online Work Shop Manual for the early cars (US spec only, click "630 ... 633CSi Repair Manual"):
http://www.bmwtechinfo.com/repair/main/

Here is a PDF download of the '80 Wiring Diagram:
viewtopic.php?t=6982

Here is the "First Fives" website, some good info on the e12 specific bits on your car:
http://www.firstfives.org/ -

The FirstFives FAQ, this is where you find info on the L-Jet injection:
http://www.firstfives.org/faq.html

A gold mine of articles and how-to's:
BigCoupeGroup Tech Library: http://www.normgrills.net/bcg/
(different then BigCoup.com, don't forget their Library too )

Site showing BMW wheels with their data, pictures and the cars they came on: It's in German, but with the pictures, it doesn't matter much.
http://felgenkatalog.auto-treff.com/

An online Vin Decoder:
http://www.bmw-z1.com/VIN/VINdecode-e.cgi

And last but not least, there are 3 online Parts Catalogs with exploded views and part numbers:

RealOEM.com, the original and I still find it the fastest to navigate if you are still on dialup:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/select.do?vi ... E24&arch=1

BMWFans, more graphic, so slower for dialup, but if you click on the part number in the right hand column, it will show you all of the other cars the part was used on. Very handy for hunting at the salvage yard:
http://bmwfans.info/original/E24/Cou/

Maximillian Importing, they will sell you the part, but the price isn't much better then the dealer:
http://www.bmwmobiletradition-online.com/bmw/


For parts, the lowest prices I've found on the net: check all 3 when looking for parts (they also make good references):

http://www.AutoHausAZ.com
http://www.Pelicanparts.com
http://www.BavAuto.com (Great Catalog, order it, it's free)
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Post by Rob Lord »

Chris,

Thanks for this info, I did realise that the earlier cars were a little less common and so a bit harder to source info and parts.

I did get the car started and I think the main problem was connection to the relays....I just went through each one and cleaned them and made sure they were all plugged in etc.

The next issue i'm working on is cold starting.....The cold start injector is not firing (I had to use "Aerostart") and I think it is because one of the sensors on the thermostat housing is missing. Clearly the previous owner had a problem and never got around to sourcing the sensor. I'll get the correct part and try again.

It's funny what you get yourself into.....all this for a car that was to be for parts. My M6 is in very good condition with nothing really it needs so my need for body parts is low.

It really is possible to fully restore this old "girl" (lots and lots of work) but how anyone could start to trash it is beyond me.

I live in the country in Australia (about 450km from Sydney, our local town is only 3000people) and was at our local car club meeting and one of the other members told us that he has 2 630's sitting in his paddock. This guy has over 800 cars in this same paddock that he does nothing with and won't sell to anyone else. I really don't understand why people let wonderful vehicles such as this go to waste. I sold a 1929 Riley 9 because I wasn't using it enough to buy a car more suitable for the family to use....the M6. I really would love to "liberate" these 2 630's but what would I do with 4 6 er's in the family.

Thanks again.
Rob Lord

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Rob Lord wrote:
I live in the country in Australia (about 450km from Sydney, our local town is only 3000people) and was at our local car club meeting and one of the other members told us that he has 2 630's sitting in his paddock. This guy has over 800 cars in this same paddock that he does nothing with and won't sell to anyone else. I really don't understand why people let wonderful vehicles such as this go to waste. I sold a 1929 Riley 9 because I wasn't using it enough to buy a car more suitable for the family to use....the M6. I really would love to "liberate" these 2 630's but what would I do with 4 6 er's in the family.

Thanks again.
My uncle had a farm in Binnaway and was the county electritian for years. I've seen the paddock (how many other paddocks in western NSW have 800 cars in them???) and these cars. My uncle nearly sobs every time he talks about it. It is an absolute crying shame. I guess this guy is a classic hoarder and thinks the cars are safe. I saw them in my teens and they were anything but. I'm 41 now so imagine the ongoing damage. You buy 1 of the 630's and I'll buy the other. It may however take a commando raid and from memory he has pig dogs. My uncle and I often talk about a commando raid but it just saddens him. I think any and all car buffs would be saddened.

Will be good to see that car of yours going. Then you can join us on a drive. Mayhaps a commando raid. Paul, Ben and Ellis with paintball guns should do it!!!
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Rob Lord wrote:I recently bought a 1980 635csi as a parts car, but on closer inspection it might be worth a resto (but a lot of work). Unfortunately, since the car came off the road in 2006 the previous owners have pulled some of it apart and I'm having trouble as a result.
It has the early style manifold and injection system. The TDC sensor has been disconnected from the loom and I think the loom cut???? I cannot find where this should connect into the loom and then into the control unit.
Does anyone have an electrical manual/wiring diagram for this earlier system? The links below are great but they are a little different to this car (and my M6 is of course different again).

Thanks for any help you can give, its a fantastic forum...well done.
I need to do more than read the last post. I've got a complete workshop manual for a 1977 633CSi which is e12 based like yours. I can post you any photo copy you need including wiring diagrams and step by step repair and replacement methods. Mine also has the early manifold and injection system. Mine would not fire and it was the fuel injection relay. I've attached a photo of the offending relay. Hope this helps Rob. I'm also getting some Bilestein sports shocks for the e12 based 6 er from the US at around $700 USD delivered. Let me know if you are interested in a set. Daniel on this forums site can supply springs for the e12 based 6 series and has them on his own and I have a set in a box awaiting the shocks. Great price. Sway bar sets can be sourced from Taren Point in Sydney. Again for the e12 based 6'er and they have put them on Daniel and Allans car as well as mine.
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Post by Rob Lord »

Shipper,

You know the paddock. I know this guy reasonably well but there is no way he will part with them other than by a raid. He apparently buys cars buy the transporter load and brings them to Binnaway and parks them never to move again. Our club goes out there once every 2 years or so for a look, but some guys refuse to go because it is gut wrenching to see many good cars go to waste.

The car I'm playing with I bought for $500 on Ebay and it seems it might be a goer. My M6 is the car from Orange that was sold by Shannons last year and is fine so I might be able to hook up sometime.

Rob.
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Rob Lord wrote:Shipper,

You know the paddock. I know this guy reasonably well but there is no way he will part with them other than by a raid. He apparently buys cars buy the transporter load and brings them to Binnaway and parks them never to move again. Our club goes out there once every 2 years or so for a look, but some guys refuse to go because it is gut wrenching to see many good cars go to waste.

The car I'm playing with I bought for $500 on Ebay and it seems it might be a goer. My M6 is the car from Orange that was sold by Shannons last year and is fine so I might be able to hook up sometime.

Rob.
So you probably know my uncle, Rob (Bob) Furley?

This is the only paddock grave yard I know in the country. Glad he does not have an M6 out there or an Alpina B7 or the like. That would hurt far more. Still, wonder where he gets the (a) cash, and (b) cars, from. By the truck load must mean he has a wholesaler mate somewhere who just plonks random old cars on a transporter and sends them up. Mayhaps they are not working to start with, who knows.

I'm going to do a trip to Cooma this year to visit the car scrap yard there that has featured in a few American muscle car magazines. I'll just wait until it gets a little warmer. $20 in and if you see something you like you can buy it.

Oh Rob, I've got the M6 workshop manual as well digitally but it is 350mb so too big to email. If you want me to burn a copy and post it up just let me know.

Regards

joshua
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Post by Rob Lord »

Joshua,

I don't know your Uncle but I know of him.

The guy with all the cars, comes from the family that originally owned the "berlei" brand. He is a farmer around 60, who doesn't seem to have married. So I guess all this means he has spare cash to spend on cars to be left in a paddock.

He has the largest collection but our car club does have a couple of other members with 100 plus vehicles, we have 50 on club plates, all from a district with around 7000 people!

Thanks for the offer for the parts...at this stage I'm really not sure what I'm going to do with it. I am trying to establish what on it works and what needs to be done on it and then decide. The body needs a bit of work with rust and a small prang on the nose, dash badly cracked but only drivers seat needs recovering, engine runs quite well but needs help to cold start.

Since the interior is complete but not great and I have the M6, I was thinking of turning into a track only car. I used to be heavily involved in touring car racing before leaving Sydney 12 years ago and its a bit hard to get it out of the system. It does seem a bit of a waste to do this since I would replace a lot of the running gear and only use the shell, engine, some suspension and possibly diff!

No matter what I do its a major project.

Rob
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Post by Shipper 01 »

Nothing beats racing Rob. You could always drop in an M30B35, strip it out and run improved production.

Peter Simms who is on this forum has a few e24's he is parting out. One has a dash with just a few small cracks. If you need second hand parts then he is the man to go to.

All the best with the build. Keep us updated.

Josh
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