M635 rocker cover restoration
M635 rocker cover restoration
Hi guys, i'm restoring my 1987 M635 with the M88 engine, the rocker cover and inlet manifold are in poor condition, does anyone know of/has used a professional company who can restore them?
I would like it done to look like new, i,e OEM standard with the matt black base colour and polished aluminium detailing which is a fairly specialist job as they will need stripping back first before correct heat resistant paint is applied and aliminium polished possibly with an application of lacquer. The parts are so rare I wouldn't want to risk a company without recommendation. I'm based in the midlands so local would be ideal.
Thanks!
(pic is off the net for reference, mine is in worse condition)
I would like it done to look like new, i,e OEM standard with the matt black base colour and polished aluminium detailing which is a fairly specialist job as they will need stripping back first before correct heat resistant paint is applied and aliminium polished possibly with an application of lacquer. The parts are so rare I wouldn't want to risk a company without recommendation. I'm based in the midlands so local would be ideal.
Thanks!
(pic is off the net for reference, mine is in worse condition)
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I had my M30 cam cover done by a powdercoat shop here in the Tampa, FL area. I'd suggest looking for a shop in your area that provides the same services.
My cost was $75, including all required prep, and I can tell you my piece was in much worse condition than what you pictured, as it was a junkyard find for $10. I'd guess the cost might be almost double for your M cover, due to the extra details, but a properly done powdercoat finish will last a very long time.
http://www.allprocustoms.com/home.html
My cost was $75, including all required prep, and I can tell you my piece was in much worse condition than what you pictured, as it was a junkyard find for $10. I'd guess the cost might be almost double for your M cover, due to the extra details, but a properly done powdercoat finish will last a very long time.
http://www.allprocustoms.com/home.html
Dean
Lutz, FL
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'87 Spider Veloce
'92 Spider Veloce
'08 350Z
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'92 Spider Veloce
'08 350Z
I'm across the pond, but I might take a slightly different approach:
Remove it from the engine and give it a scrubbing with a bristle brush and some degreaser.
To brighten up the raised lettering, use a sanding block with 600 to 1200 wet/dry paper and some water. Going over it with clear might be difficult without masking first.
Some have stripped them with walnut shells and then did a powder coat and then before baking, removed the powder from the raised lettering.
That's all I know.
--Ken
Remove it from the engine and give it a scrubbing with a bristle brush and some degreaser.
To brighten up the raised lettering, use a sanding block with 600 to 1200 wet/dry paper and some water. Going over it with clear might be difficult without masking first.
Some have stripped them with walnut shells and then did a powder coat and then before baking, removed the powder from the raised lettering.
That's all I know.
--Ken
Sansouci
84 E24 633Csi Auto, Bronzit/PearlBeige 6997510
93 E32 740il M60 Auto, Alpenweis/Ultramarine
60 528i M30 5-speed Green/Beige (crushed)
71 240Z 4-speed White/Blue (rusty & sold)
65 396 Chevelle 4-speed, Marina Blue/Black (stolen)
84 E24 633Csi Auto, Bronzit/PearlBeige 6997510
93 E32 740il M60 Auto, Alpenweis/Ultramarine
60 528i M30 5-speed Green/Beige (crushed)
71 240Z 4-speed White/Blue (rusty & sold)
65 396 Chevelle 4-speed, Marina Blue/Black (stolen)
I powder coated mine at home using the following method
1 strip all old paint off with paint stripper and a brass wire brush
2 polish the top of the lettering by rubbing it with a fine oil stone and lubricant
3 buff the lettering with with a calico wheel and bees wax
4 wash the whole thing with wax and grease remover then some good detergent
5 cover all the raised sections with hi temp masking tape
6 trim the masking tape with a stanley knife blade at the edge of the raised sections
7 use silicon plugs in all the holes
8 cover the underside completely with sheet metal and tape
9 apply the powder coat wrinkle powder and bake in the oven
10 remove tape and plugs after it cools
you could use wrinkle paint instead but it is not as durable as the powder coat
1 strip all old paint off with paint stripper and a brass wire brush
2 polish the top of the lettering by rubbing it with a fine oil stone and lubricant
3 buff the lettering with with a calico wheel and bees wax
4 wash the whole thing with wax and grease remover then some good detergent
5 cover all the raised sections with hi temp masking tape
6 trim the masking tape with a stanley knife blade at the edge of the raised sections
7 use silicon plugs in all the holes
8 cover the underside completely with sheet metal and tape
9 apply the powder coat wrinkle powder and bake in the oven
10 remove tape and plugs after it cools
you could use wrinkle paint instead but it is not as durable as the powder coat
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Thanks for your response guys some really good info and tips there, however due my 'to do' list being as long as ever I'm looking to out source this job to someone who has the skills and right products. I'm based in Bromsgrove in the UK (midlands area) so need a company local really...I don't trust royal mail enough to post these precious parts
I've just taken pics of my car, as you can see they are pretty rough. I've bought a genuine set of HT leads as the current ones are off a m30 engine.
I've just taken pics of my car, as you can see they are pretty rough. I've bought a genuine set of HT leads as the current ones are off a m30 engine.
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You've got a lot of cosmetics to deal with. Either a lot of time or a lot of GBPs. How are the mechanicals?
Have you looked through the UK magazines such as "Classics Monthly" etc?
I found two possibles in the back of "Classic & Sports Car" magazine
Colonnade Metal Finishers 020 8902 7722
De-Corrosion Services Ltd 019 325 64666
Not knowing UK geography that's the best I can do.
But another strategy is to call all the resto shops you can find and ask them who they use.
Good Luck
Have you looked through the UK magazines such as "Classics Monthly" etc?
I found two possibles in the back of "Classic & Sports Car" magazine
Colonnade Metal Finishers 020 8902 7722
De-Corrosion Services Ltd 019 325 64666
Not knowing UK geography that's the best I can do.
But another strategy is to call all the resto shops you can find and ask them who they use.
Good Luck
Sansouci
84 E24 633Csi Auto, Bronzit/PearlBeige 6997510
93 E32 740il M60 Auto, Alpenweis/Ultramarine
60 528i M30 5-speed Green/Beige (crushed)
71 240Z 4-speed White/Blue (rusty & sold)
65 396 Chevelle 4-speed, Marina Blue/Black (stolen)
84 E24 633Csi Auto, Bronzit/PearlBeige 6997510
93 E32 740il M60 Auto, Alpenweis/Ultramarine
60 528i M30 5-speed Green/Beige (crushed)
71 240Z 4-speed White/Blue (rusty & sold)
65 396 Chevelle 4-speed, Marina Blue/Black (stolen)
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milroy, I have used this company before a number of times and thoroughly recommend their work (no affiliation).
For reference, I had some BMW alloy wheels powder coated by them in 2010 to an exact match of the original shade/colour. The original BMW finish has a limited lifetime being built up in layers of paint, black base then two coats of silver to create a shadowline finish. In comparison, the original finish isn't durable lasting maybe 3+ years depending on salt buildup on roads, regular waxing/cleaning etc. The powder coat finish however still looks fresh as the first day and brake dust comes off so easily in comparison, with no need for chemical cleaners etc.
I know you're looking for a powder coat/crackle black engine finish and not for an alloy wheel finish but they also offer this besides many other applications.
http://www.aerocoat.co.uk
For reference, I had some BMW alloy wheels powder coated by them in 2010 to an exact match of the original shade/colour. The original BMW finish has a limited lifetime being built up in layers of paint, black base then two coats of silver to create a shadowline finish. In comparison, the original finish isn't durable lasting maybe 3+ years depending on salt buildup on roads, regular waxing/cleaning etc. The powder coat finish however still looks fresh as the first day and brake dust comes off so easily in comparison, with no need for chemical cleaners etc.
I know you're looking for a powder coat/crackle black engine finish and not for an alloy wheel finish but they also offer this besides many other applications.
http://www.aerocoat.co.uk
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If the M88 cam cover is similar to the M30 version in that it has a cover plate under the breather take off inside then if you have it media blasted and PC'd I'd remove that cover and thoroughly clean out the underside , or better still remove it prior to having the work done .
I recently had an M30 cover textured coated ( thanks Ron and Rob /wattsmonkey ) and prior to fitting I thought I'd just check the underside of the cover to ensure that there was no blast material left there even though the internals of the cover were scrupulously clean.
After pushing some long cotton buds into the crevices between the cover plate and the casting Ifound there was still some dried residue trapped in the corners of the casting webs.
I removed the cover after power filing the heads off the retaining rivets and found a lot of blast residue that just would not have been able to have been removed any other way . Prior to doing this I had tried kerosene from a pressure gun and high pressure air but it was still there waiting on hot oil vapour breaking it down and carrying it into the engine.
I drilled and SS wired the cover back onto the cam cover afterwards .
Just a tip .........
I recently had an M30 cover textured coated ( thanks Ron and Rob /wattsmonkey ) and prior to fitting I thought I'd just check the underside of the cover to ensure that there was no blast material left there even though the internals of the cover were scrupulously clean.
After pushing some long cotton buds into the crevices between the cover plate and the casting Ifound there was still some dried residue trapped in the corners of the casting webs.
I removed the cover after power filing the heads off the retaining rivets and found a lot of blast residue that just would not have been able to have been removed any other way . Prior to doing this I had tried kerosene from a pressure gun and high pressure air but it was still there waiting on hot oil vapour breaking it down and carrying it into the engine.
I drilled and SS wired the cover back onto the cam cover afterwards .
Just a tip .........
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Agree 100% about removing and cleaning under the baffle cover. This is what you're likely to find. Want that falling into your nice, clean engine?
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Re: M635 rocker cover restoration
Are you suggesting removing those covers BEFORE cleaning? What rivets/screws should be used to reattach them?
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65 396 Chevelle 4-speed, Marina Blue/Black (stolen)
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93 E32 740il M60 Auto, Alpenweis/Ultramarine
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Re: M635 rocker cover restoration
Yes, remove the cover (baffle cover) before cleaning. You'll be wasting your time otherwise. You cannot adequately clean in the baffles with the cover in place.
I used 3mm screws if I recall correctly. I carefully center-punched and drilled the rivet heads with a countersink bit until the head popped off, and the resulting countersunk spot is perfect for guiding the correct size tap drill. Be careful you don't drill too deep. Tap the holes using tap lube, clean the holes, and use stainless screws with Loctite to secure them.
I used 3mm screws if I recall correctly. I carefully center-punched and drilled the rivet heads with a countersink bit until the head popped off, and the resulting countersunk spot is perfect for guiding the correct size tap drill. Be careful you don't drill too deep. Tap the holes using tap lube, clean the holes, and use stainless screws with Loctite to secure them.
Ken Kanne
'84 633CSi "Sylvia"; '85 635CSi "Katja";'85 325e "Hazel Ann"; '95 M3 "Ashlyn"
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Re: M635 rocker cover restoration
I considered riveting or screwing it back on but was concerned about either of them dropping out and down into the engine .
After thought I drilled the plate and corresponding web / gusset on the casting and hard wired them together with stainless steel tie wire in eight places.
After thought I drilled the plate and corresponding web / gusset on the casting and hard wired them together with stainless steel tie wire in eight places.
1981 635 series 1
Re: M635 rocker cover restoration
Wire on new screws would be great. Regular steel screws with red loctite would NEVER come out either.
Best way to recondition is masking off sealing edge, glass bead and then polish raised area with sandpaper as others have suggested. When done, the blasted surface will take powder or crinkle paint beautifully.
Jose
Best way to recondition is masking off sealing edge, glass bead and then polish raised area with sandpaper as others have suggested. When done, the blasted surface will take powder or crinkle paint beautifully.
Jose
1987 M6 - My dream car
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milroy, I'm interested to know how you got on with this work, if you had it done?
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I've enjoyed reading Kos's thread very much: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8230&hilit=in+the+family&start=75
It's prompted me to do the same and tidy up a few parts on my car, a M635, by powder coating/vapour blasting the following:
- rocker cover,
- power steering reservoir,
- airbox,
- ignition rail,
- scuttle panel cover for heater,
- inlet manifold/plenum,
- front and rear light surrounds,
- top of front screen motor,
- any other parts that I find that can be done eg brackets etc,
I'm just looking to tidy the car up cosmetically. Can anyone offer any pointers on what needs replacing at the same time as removing parts to be cleaned/painted?
For example, should I fit a new rocker cover gasket or can I reuse the one that comes off?
Can the ignition leads be removed from the rail?
Any other advice greatly appreciated - thanks.
It's prompted me to do the same and tidy up a few parts on my car, a M635, by powder coating/vapour blasting the following:
- rocker cover,
- power steering reservoir,
- airbox,
- ignition rail,
- scuttle panel cover for heater,
- inlet manifold/plenum,
- front and rear light surrounds,
- top of front screen motor,
- any other parts that I find that can be done eg brackets etc,
I'm just looking to tidy the car up cosmetically. Can anyone offer any pointers on what needs replacing at the same time as removing parts to be cleaned/painted?
For example, should I fit a new rocker cover gasket or can I reuse the one that comes off?
Can the ignition leads be removed from the rail?
Any other advice greatly appreciated - thanks.
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Hi Guido, I havn't had the work done yet. I enquired with aerocoat.co.uk however they were only prepared to shot blast & finish the rocker cover with the correct black crackle coat for £85 - however this did not include the skim/polish of the raised logos so would come back all black I still need a company that will return it to me looking like OEM finish, I just havn't got time to do this one myself.
No real pointers other than new foam strip for the fan cover scuttle to prevent vibration . Also the wiper motor internal contacts should be cleaned and re-greased to prevent the issue where the wipers judder and won't park. Also, there are reproduction OEM quality stickers available that placed correctly give a good finishing touch.
Have you got any pics?
No real pointers other than new foam strip for the fan cover scuttle to prevent vibration . Also the wiper motor internal contacts should be cleaned and re-greased to prevent the issue where the wipers judder and won't park. Also, there are reproduction OEM quality stickers available that placed correctly give a good finishing touch.
Have you got any pics?
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at risk of pointing out the b-obvious here but none of this stuff will make the car go better; there is a cost/risk/benefit thing going on here.guido wrote: I'm just looking to tidy the car up cosmetically.....
if you go about a 'cosmetic refurbishment' of the engine in the wrong way you could easily need quite a lot of mechanical work too. Doubtless you will need a stack of new gaskets, probably a rebuilt throttle linkage, all new gaskets....Can anyone offer any pointers on what needs replacing at the same time as removing parts to be cleaned/painted?
For example, should I fit a new rocker cover gasket or can I reuse the one that comes off?
Can the ignition leads be removed from the rail?
I'm not sure why you would want to remove the leads from the rail unless they are being replaced. Normally a rocker cover gasket -if it can be re-used at all- is stuck to one part of the assembly, usually the cover itself. If you are refurbing the cover (blasting/recoating) you will lose the gasket for sure, and if you don't go about it (or TBs, plenum etc) in the right way you could lose the engine through trapped media.
nowt wrong with wanting a shiny car but priorities, cost/risk/benefit.... if your chain and guides haven't been done in a while, or the injectors cleaned, doing that would be a much better idea.Any other advice greatly appreciated - thanks.
cheers
~~~~~~~~~~~~Brucey~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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This is local to you. Highly recommended as have had lots done there over the years.milroy wrote: The parts are so rare I wouldn't want to risk a company without recommendation. I'm based in the midlands so local would be ideal.
http://www.redditchshotblasting.co.uk/coating/
They are ALWAYS rustier than you thought!!!!!!
'85 M #228
'87 M #367
'88 High line.
'10 X5
‘84 Alfasud 1.5 ti
'85 M #228
'87 M #367
'88 High line.
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Re: M635 rocker cover restoration
Milroy that's a shame to hear that Aerocoat don't offer the skim/polishing of the logo's etc - with that in mind I'll give the company that Ron has suggested below a try and see if they do.milroy wrote:Hi Guido, I havn't had the work done yet. I enquired with aerocoat.co.uk however they were only prepared to shot blast & finish the rocker cover with the correct black crackle coat for £85 - however this did not include the skim/polish of the raised logos so would come back all black I still need a company that will return it to me looking like OEM finish, I just havn't got time to do this one myself.
No real pointers other than new foam strip for the fan cover scuttle to prevent vibration . Also the wiper motor internal contacts should be cleaned and re-greased to prevent the issue where the wipers judder and won't park. Also, there are reproduction OEM quality stickers available that placed correctly give a good finishing touch.
Have you got any pics?
On a different note, I'm happy to report that the car now drives like new All of the underneath of the car now gone through with bushes, arms, springs/dampers, bumpstops, topmounts/mounts etc replaced with new.
So I then moved onto other areas of the car, firstly replacing the head-unit that came with the car, as it was quite a flashy 90's style head-unit that didn't seem to fit with the rest of the interior, for a Becker Indi Pro. I then replaced the original Kenwood speakers as one in the front foot well was no longer working and overall the quality was a bit lacking, with these, that fit perfectly in the rear pods and front foot wells:
Fronts: http://www.caraudiocentre.co.uk/product ... -32214.htm
Rears: http://www.caraudiocentre.co.uk/product ... -33034.htm
Moving on, I stripped down the front and rear lights, top parts of the engine and a few other smaller parts requiring blasting/powder coating. You're right about the foam strip for the fan scuttle, mine has seen better days and will need replacing.
I'll see if I can get some pictures up but I've recently closed my Photobucket account and not really sure I want to reopen an account.
Re: M635 rocker cover restoration
Brucey wrote:at risk of pointing out the b-obvious here but none of this stuff will make the car go better; there is a cost/risk/benefit thing going on here.guido wrote: I'm just looking to tidy the car up cosmetically.....
- Sorry Brucey, not quite sure I follow you there - as I mentioned I'm doing this work purely for cosmetic reasons, or have i missed your point?
Brucey wrote:if you go about a 'cosmetic refurbishment' of the engine in the wrong way you could easily need quite a lot of mechanical work too. Doubtless you will need a stack of new gaskets, probably a rebuilt throttle linkage, all new gaskets....guido wrote: Can anyone offer any pointers on what needs replacing at the same time as removing parts to be cleaned/painted?
- Point taken and preparation made, new gaskets etc sourced. Thanks.
Brucey wrote:I'm not sure why you would want to remove the leads from the rail unless they are being replaced. Normally a rocker cover gasket -if it can be re-used at all- is stuck to one part of the assembly, usually the cover itself. If you are refurbing the cover (blasting/recoating) you will lose the gasket for sure, and if you don't go about it (or TBs, plenum etc) in the right way you could lose the engine through trapped media.guido wrote: For example, should I fit a new rocker cover gasket or can I reuse the one that comes off?
Can the ignition leads be removed from the rail?
- Noted, thanks.
Brucey wrote:guido wrote: Any other advice greatly appreciated - thanks. nowt wrong with wanting a shiny car but priorities, cost/risk/benefit.... if your chain and guides haven't been done in a while, or the injectors cleaned, doing that would be a much better idea
- This work has already been carried out.
Thanks
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The risks involved with media blasting of rocker covers are not to be underestimated. The folk who do it may have only a weak appreciation of the risks and potential consequences of media entrapment.
It is worth noting that whilst the cover is off being refinished, the engine is open and all kinds of crud might get inside it, too.
Also I guess you may be on top of things well enough, but my point was (I suppose) that the reason my car will never be perfect is that the amount of time and effort I can apply is limited. That being the case it is best to pick and choose priorities; there are always plenty of jobs to do. Often I have refinished a part, but have later found that I'd have been better off doing something else instead.
cheers
It is worth noting that whilst the cover is off being refinished, the engine is open and all kinds of crud might get inside it, too.
Also I guess you may be on top of things well enough, but my point was (I suppose) that the reason my car will never be perfect is that the amount of time and effort I can apply is limited. That being the case it is best to pick and choose priorities; there are always plenty of jobs to do. Often I have refinished a part, but have later found that I'd have been better off doing something else instead.
cheers
~~~~~~~~~~~~Brucey~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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I see Brucey, thanks for the clarification.
You're completely right and I agree - if not cleaned out correctly, and the blast media makes its way into the engine then the job which initially was to 'make things all nice and shiny' ends up being a rebuild and replacement job, costing much more. Point taken.
Whilst the cover's off, the internal workings have been sealed off to prevent ingress of foreign objects - imagine if a mouse decided it would make a nice home in there whilst the cover was off - oopps.
Very true, there's always plenty of jobs to do, it just depends which side of the fence you sit on, those that actively find work or those that are content with 'as is'.
Thanks
You're completely right and I agree - if not cleaned out correctly, and the blast media makes its way into the engine then the job which initially was to 'make things all nice and shiny' ends up being a rebuild and replacement job, costing much more. Point taken.
Whilst the cover's off, the internal workings have been sealed off to prevent ingress of foreign objects - imagine if a mouse decided it would make a nice home in there whilst the cover was off - oopps.
Very true, there's always plenty of jobs to do, it just depends which side of the fence you sit on, those that actively find work or those that are content with 'as is'.
Thanks
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Hi milroy, I've just spoken to Mike at Aerocoat.milroy wrote:Hi Guido, I havn't had the work done yet. I enquired with aerocoat.co.uk however they were only prepared to shot blast & finish the rocker cover with the correct black crackle coat for £85 - however this did not include the skim/polish of the raised logos so would come back all black I still need a company that will return it to me looking like OEM finish, I just havn't got time to do this one myself.
No real pointers other than new foam strip for the fan cover scuttle to prevent vibration . Also the wiper motor internal contacts should be cleaned and re-greased to prevent the issue where the wipers judder and won't park. Also, there are reproduction OEM quality stickers available that placed correctly give a good finishing touch.
Have you got any pics?
Just to confirm, they're happy to take off the finished top layer (crackle black/powder coat) for the lettering on the rocker cover which shouldn't lead to deterioration as the remaining will have been keyed properly first.
Cheers.