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E24 Shop Manual

Post by Neveragain55 » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:55 am

Hi Gang,

I've searched through every web site I can think of looking for a genuine repair manual for our cars, and I've come up with nothing :(

I've found the Chilton manual for all BMW models from 1970 to 1988 but my shark is an 89, and I'd hate to buy the thing just to find out that it's one of those watered down manuals (because it's covering too many models) that really doesn't cover everything.

I've found the Mobile CD for the 635 but there's a problem with the ram and Adobe connected to it.

I've found a CD for 170.00 that claims it specifically covers the 635 but what I really want is a good old fashioned manual. Something I can hold and flip through while I'm standing over the engine bay.

I refuse to believe that BMW never created a shop manual for these cars. There has to be some type of manual somewhere. I'm not interested in the Bentley manual that covers the 5-series even though there very similar to the 6-series.

I realize the similarities, but I don't like to work with similarities when I'm getting ready to tear an engine apart, or chase some freaky electrical abnormality. I need absolution, and I can only get that from a manual that was written specifically for the vehicle I?m working on.

Does anyone have a lead on a genuine shop, service, or repair manual for the E24?

Thanks in advance..... Ciao

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Post by Old_School » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:27 am

I've seen them, or copies, on Ebay.

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Post by Chris Wright » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:24 am

Below you will find a PDF file of the Official BMW Work Shop paper manual. The factory manuals were absolutely terrible, so check out this file before you drop $125 on a paper manual off of eBay. They are in a style I call "Military Moron", that was popular in the '80's. It consists of a series of small photo's, with simplistic sentences like "Remove bolt 1" next to them. Not much in the way of systems descriptions and there are no torques or other specifications in the manual, they are all in a separate book.

BMW also has the manual online.

Chilton manuals are absolute crap, too vague, covering too many models as you say.

The Bentley is golden, it's not "similar", it's dead on for 15 of the 22 systems/chapters, but since you have an '89 that drops to 13 of of 22 because you have the B35 engine instead of the B34. Unfortunately, even the Factory manual doesn't address the B35 differences very much.

Fortunately, the wiring diagrams (ETM's) are year specific and very detailed with component locations, Connector pin out diagrams, etc.
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Here is a cut & paste of some standard information I've gathered, maybe you have already seen it, but if not, it may be of use. In any case, bookmark them:

There are some things you will definitely need:

There are no aftermarket repair manuals for the Six, but it shares the same engine, drivetrain, suspension and many systems with the 5-Series so the Bentley BMW 5-Series '82 to '88 Manual (Green cover, $38 at Amazon.com) works very well. The "Driveablity" and the fuel injection sections alone are worth the price for diagnosing running problems.
http://www.amazon.com/BMW-5-Service-Man ... 459&sr=8-3


ETM (Electrical Troubleshooting Manual, aka "Wiring Diagram"). It is a very good manual, and everyone needs to have this, download it immediately. You really can't work on the car without it. Here is a Site with free downloads of ETM's (PDF files -13 to 20 MB) for various years ('82 to '01) and models of BMW's (3/5/6/7/8/Z):
http://wedophones.com/BMWManualsLead.htm

There is also an Online ETM for an '85. It has much clearer component location pictures in the back then the downloaded ETM's:
http://www.stormpages.com/countchocula1/bmw/etm002.htm

The component location listings and pictures at the end of the ETM are invaluable as you find your way around the new car. From the index, go to the component that you want and that page will have a "for Component Location see page xxx" notation. To move to the page that you want, you have to type the page number into the end of the address to replace of the current page number, i.e. change "/etm002.htm" to "/etm123.htm" to go to page 123.
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**New!!**
Here is a better Online Manual taken from the Factory DVD
that has info for both the e12 and e28 based cars and the Euro Factory Specs and Torques as well as for Japan and the US. It is also primarily a browser/link based format with only the specs/torques in PDF files so it is faster then the primarily PDF graphic based Online Manual previously posted and the photo's seem much clearer also: BMW 628csi - M635csi (M6) - e12/e28 Workshop Manual

Another Online Factory Manual, also Linked based, very similar to the one above: http://merlin.pvfree.net/e24/?

Free Downloadable Factory Workshop Manual (U.S. Spec after '82 - e28 based, including the M6) and a separate Factory Specification Book (you need the Spec book because torques/specs are not included in the Workshop Manual, however, most torques are given in the Bentley manual). The Workshop Manual is not the greatest, but you can't beat the price, and it is invaluable for the things not covered in the Bentley. It basically just lists the steps for replacing parts, very little in the way of Troubleshooting or System Descriptions are included, so it is best to still get the Bentley, and use the Factory Manual for e24 specific things that aren't in the Bentley:
viewtopic.php?p=53625

Online Factory Work Shop Manual This is the original PDF based version. It is similar to the downloadable Manual above, but it additionally covers the early, e12 based cars - 630 to 633 before '82, as well as, the later e28 based cars and the M6. It is also for U.S. Spec. only, (for the early cars, click "630 ... 633CSi Repair Manual"):
http://www.bmwtechinfo.com/repair/main/


Downloadable ZF 4HP-22/24 Automatic Transmission Overhaul Manual It has a fault chart, shows a complete overhaul and has the procedure for the "fix" for the "A" clutch pack:
http://bmwzone.ro/forums/post-a14824-.html
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A gold mine of articles and how-to's:
BigCoupeGroup Tech Library ;
Not to be confused with BigCoup.com, don't forget their Tech Articles also.

Online Vin Decoders:
http://www.bmwvin.com/ (New-shows Options)
http://www.bmw-z1.com/VIN/VINdecode-e.cgi
http://www.rubmw.ru/vincode/eng/ (Alt-shows Options)

Site showing BMW wheels with their data, pictures and the cars they came on: It's in German, but with the pictures, it doesn't matter much.
http://felgenkatalog.auto-treff.com/

And last but not least, there are 3 Online Parts Catalogs: __

For parts, the lowest prices I've found on the net: check all 3 when looking for parts (they also make good references):

http://www.AutoHausAZ.com
http://www.Pelicanparts.com
http://www.BavAuto.com (Great Catalog, order it, it's free)

In the past, AutoHaus was almost always the cheapest (when comparing the same brand of parts), but both Pelican and BavAuto have gotten competitive so you have to now check all three. And always do a "Search by Part Number", as not all of the parts show up in the menu driven look-ups (get the part number form one of the online parts catalogs above).

For "Dealer Only" parts:
It is great when you can find a "Tame" dealer locally that will do competitive pricing, and more and more are, but if yours is not, then PelicanParts or BavAuto can order dealer parts but you have to do the "Search by Part Number" for them to show up . Sometimes the prices are good, sometimes not (I've found Pelican selling at above dealer retail on ordered parts! Always check at getbmwparts.com (or ebmwparts.com) to see what the MSRP is and for lower pricing).

There are several dealers that have online sites selling at about a 20% discount (plus shipping). Good place to find out what the dealer MSRP is, If you can get a local dealer to come close to these discount prices, you can save the shipping:

BMWMercedesparts.com seems to be a bit cheaper (20 to 30%), but check them all.

http://BMWMercedesparts.com/
http://ebmwparts.com/
http://www.getbmwparts.com/

Several have recommended Nat @ Atlantic Euro
Phone 336-970-0577 : email [email protected]

MWrench recommends Charlie at Gault BMW in Endicott NY. Claims he has a really steep discount for OEM parts. You can also contact him via email: [email protected]
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Post by Neveragain55 » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:50 am

Thanks so much guys...........

This information is really helpful, your all the best....... :D

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Post by challenger » Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:29 am

Chris Wright, thank you for sharing those links and good info along. Very helpful! 8)
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Post by Pod » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:59 pm

Hi Chris,

Just found another one of your gems! Very helpful, thank you.

I tried clicking on the ZF 4HP-22/24 Automatic Transmission Overhaul Manual link, but it failed to load. Do you by any chance have another link for this as I am interested in reading up on the "A" clutch pack fix.

TIA,

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Post by Chris Wright » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:03 pm

Pod wrote:Hi Chris,

Just found another one of your gems! Very helpful, thank you.

I tried clicking on the ZF 4HP-22/24 Automatic Transmission Overhaul Manual link, but it failed to load. Do you by any chance have another link for this as I am interested in reading up on the "A" clutch pack fix.

TIA,

Paul.
I'm not having any luck a resurrecting that link or finding it on the Wayback Machine. I'll keep trying, but in the mean time here is a page from the Tech section with info about the front clutch pack and several links to rebuilds with photo's:

viewtopic.php?t=8437
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Post by Pod » Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:39 am

Thanks very much Chris. I have read it all with interest.

Now I have a decision to make. Do I remove the 'box and attempt to fix it, with the risk of having to take it out again if I fail - or do I just drop in a known-good 'box I have as a spare :-k

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Post by Pablo_el » Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:21 pm

Can you explain to me why each and every manual does not state specific torque? It is such a pita to find specific values! Why e39 has perfect shop manual and we have to suffer?

Or maybe there is something like e39 manual :) :-k
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Post by Chris Wright » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:17 am

Pablo_el wrote:Can you explain to me why each and every manual does not state specific torque? It is such a pita to find specific values! Why e39 has perfect shop manual and we have to suffer?

Or maybe there is something like e39 manual :) :-k
The Bentley Manual has the torques and most of the specifications and good "Systems Descriptions" which are poor or missing in the Factory manuals also.

BMW took all of the Specs. and Torques and put them in a separate "Factory Specification Book" (See above) that covers all of the models of the '80's. I guess they thought that the mechanics might actually use the torques if they had a handy pocket sized book that they could carry around instead of looking it up in a microfiche.

You can download it from the link above, and is does have some interesting things that aren't in the Bentley, but it is easier to find the info in the Bentley.
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Post by Pablo_el » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:16 pm

Maybe I am illiterate but there are no torque specs in that manual! Links in the online ones are DEAD - they show just the general specs not the specifics which is just irritating.

All I got is m6 torque specs manual which does not have all of the torques, just for the m88 and "some" for the chasis. I guess I will stick with e39 bentley I have laying around as 90% of those values are similar.
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Post by Chris Wright » Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:43 am

Pablo_el wrote:Maybe I am illiterate but there are no torque specs in that manual! All I got is m6 torque specs manual which does not have all of the torques, just for the m88 and "some" for the chassis. I guess I will stick with e39 bentley I have laying around as 90% of those values are similar.
The file: "BMW M6 Torque Specs.pdf" at the link above is mislabeled. It contains Torques/Specs for the following engines: M10, M20, M21, M30, S14, S38 and the following cars: 3 Series, 5 Series, 6 Series, 7 Series.

All of the Torques and Specs. are there, the Torques follow the Specs in the listings. You just have to dig through it.
Links in the online ones are DEAD - they show just the general specs not the specifics which is just irritating.
A PDF of just Torques for the Sixer is available at "00 - Maintenance and general information" --> "00 00 000 - Specifications" Here:
http://www.malloc.nl/BMW/635CSi/pages/e ... l#refertoc
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Post by bpoliakoff » Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:20 pm

[quote="Pablo_el"]Can you explain to me why each and every manual does not state specific torque? It is such a pita to find specific values! Why e39 has perfect shop manual and we have to suffer?quote]

I think one reason may be that BMW has a manual(small) that only has torque specs for everything. I found one on Ebay for $5
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Moderators!!! Please remove this spammer :x

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Thanks Pod, just saw this in the morning #-o

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Post by Pod » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:52 pm

Just doing my bit! BTW, I checked before I posted and he's posted a few identical messages on other threads - otherwise I wouldn't have bothered on such an old thread.

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Post by laharbimmer » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:34 am

Thanks for maintaining these threads!! the info is invaluable......

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Post by Da_Hose » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:28 am

Hey, folks. I uploaded new versions of the scans I made from my service manuals.

Here they are. Big downloads, so I hope you have a fast internet connection.

Service Manual

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B95IxH ... 1FHZl9hSXM

Torque Settings

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B95IxH ... XU5LXg3Ymc

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Post by Chris Wright » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:27 pm

Da_Hose wrote:Hey, folks. I uploaded new versions of the scans I made from my service manuals.

Here they are. Big downloads, so I hope you have a fast internet connection.

Service Manual

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B95IxH ... 1FHZl9hSXM

Torque Settings

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B95IxH ... XU5LXg3Ymc

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How do they relate to the uploads you posted below? Do they all have Sec 33 - Axle included? Can they be used as an alternate site, are they the same files?:
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Post by Da_Hose » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:34 am

Same documents. The Google ones look easier to get to and the filefactory links could go dead if they aren't accessed within a certain time frame (I think it was a couple of months).

We could lose the filefactory links if the Google ones work better. The Google account should always stay accessible.

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Post by bpoliakoff » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:09 am

Pablo_el wrote:Can you explain to me why each and every manual does not state specific torque? It is such a pita to find specific values! Why e39 has perfect shop manual and we have to suffer?

Or maybe there is something like e39 manual :) :-k
Maybe because BMW published a small manual that had the torque specs for most of the cars up to that point. I found mine on Ebay years ago for $5
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Post by bgo » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:47 pm

bpoliakoff wrote:
Pablo_el wrote:Can you explain to me why each and every manual does not state specific torque? It is such a pita to find specific values! Why e39 has perfect shop manual and we have to suffer?

Or maybe there is something like e39 manual :) :-k
Maybe because BMW published a small manual that had the torque specs for most of the cars up to that point. I found mine on Ebay years ago for $5
Do you mean this one?

http://www.bmw-m.net/TechData/torq/bmw_torq.pdf
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Post by bpoliakoff » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:48 pm

I can't tell from what you posted. What I have is a small book about 5X7 inches. To be honest, I never looked at it as my car was pretty much together before I got it. You can also look up torque values on the internet by bolt size. I am very old school and only torque heads with a torque wrench. Everything else I just tighten down until I feel the bolt stretching. in 40 years of doing this I have never had a bolt come loose except for a rod bolt, and that was done with a torque wrench. Go figure!!
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Post by Tocino » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:50 pm

Hi guys,

loos like lastly the TIS online for the e24 in malloc is down?

http://www.malloc.nl/BMW/635CSi/pages/en/index.html

it reaches the main index but impossible to navigate further. Anyone knows anything? any other alternative site? it was great so far!

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Post by Chickie the Shark » Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:30 pm

So, I've read everything that I can find on the forums about repair manuals and still have one question that I haven't been able to an answer to.

Does the Bentley Manual cover the M88?

Looking at the picture of the cover on amazon, it covers most of the 5 series line, but doesn't mention the M5. I realize that there are specific manuals online that cover my M635, but being old-school, I like to have that paper book in my hands, getting greasy as I use it, while I'm working on the car. I'll probably get the Bentley anyway, just for the cross-over that it does have. If I am stuck using the online manuals I always can run an extension cord to the car for a very old laptop that I can get greasy as I go.

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