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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by garagistic » Thu May 12, 2016 2:12 pm

Please review them on website when you install your gears!

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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by kief » Sat May 21, 2016 3:03 am

@songzunhuang

DAMNIT! @Garagistic, it needs to be made clear on how to remove the brass sleve. It should be on a piece of paper when you send the gears. You squeeze it (don't even have to squeeze it hard) with needlenose or other pliers, and it warps it out of shape and makes it loose so it just slips off.

This knowledge is unknown to so many people, and it needs to be known!

look at my post on the middle of page 2, and you'll see that songzunhuang wouldn't have had the trouble he had. If you do supply this info, then I'm sorry, but think about the customer...
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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by songzunhuang » Sat May 21, 2016 5:03 am

kief wrote:@songzunhuang

DAMNIT! @Garagistic, it needs to be made clear on how to remove the brass sleve. It should be on a piece of paper when you send the gears. You squeeze it (don't even have to squeeze it hard) with needlenose or other pliers, and it warps it out of shape and makes it loose so it just slips off.

This knowledge is unknown to so many people, and it needs to be known!

look at my post on the middle of page 2, and you'll see that songzunhuang wouldn't have had the trouble he had. If you do supply this info, then I'm sorry, but think about the customer...
Yup, folks who sell these gears would sure help their customers if it was clear. I improvised, but not sure all is well. My odometer still randomly starts and stops. I may have to do this again the "correct way" in case somehow my attempt was not centered.

Btw - my gears came with no documentation whatsoever. I just got gears in a small plastic bag.
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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by kief » Sat May 21, 2016 10:27 am

I'm so glad you saw my post.

Maybe garagistic will learn from this. Mine are still working great, and recording the correct mileage, but it sucks you weren't aware of this simple method that would have saved you at least an hour of headache I bet. They should send you a new set, or at least that small gear that you had to drill out lol.

Its a good thing you didn't break it. I remember when I had mine apart, and that small brass sleeve is attached to a rod that gets VERY narrow at a point inside the housing. Like thinner than a millimeter in diameter from what I remember. I bet you could break it in half if you put some force on it.
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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by JoelR » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:29 am

Before anyone gets too carried away here bashing on garagistics and before @songzunhuang beats himself up too badly for reaming out his gear, I would like to say a couple of things in both of their defenses: When I tackled the gears this weekend, I ran into the same problems that @songzunhuang did on my 2/83 633. I had to desolder the little board to get the plastic cover off (thanks for giving me a heads-up on that in your post). I had read all of these posts as well as the directions on the garagistics website. So I was completely aware of using the pliers to remove the bushing. Unfortunately, the bushing used on mine had no intention of being deformed enough to be removed. In fact, I could not cause it to deform at all. So I followed @songzunhuang's procedure of reaming out the gear by hand - sore fingers and all. I'm just glad it was a 3-day weekend, or I might not have finished in time. I would be willing to bet that VDO changed the bushing some time in 84, and those of us with earlier cars are just kind of stuck with it.
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Completely solved my intermittent Odo problem

Post by songzunhuang » Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:24 am

So I thought I would update this thread and let you know that I have completely fixed my errant odometer. It turns out that one of my gears was sliding about the pin and getting disengaged from a gear. You have to figure out a way to keep the gear in place. I put some pictures in my project post viewtopic.php?f=25&t=25858&start=225#p194859

I looked on eBay and saw that garagistics has some photos on the eBay auction that shows a piece of small tubing used to keep the gear from sliding. Well, I didn't get one of those tube pieces in my kit. So I had to improvise using a circular piece of rubber.

It's been a week of commuting now and the odometer is performing perfectly. I think I may have finally licked this issue. Thank goodness.
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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by garagistic » Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:40 am

Thank you guys for the comments. We will work on making our instructions a little more clear. Here is a video of the installation process to help others (Its an e30 but the process is identical)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEIQVpXhJYo

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Post by kief » Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:25 pm

Cool, thanks
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Post by garagistic » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:46 pm

Lots in stock.

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Post by garagistic » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:24 pm

Please leave a review on the website. Thanks!

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Post by garagistic » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:03 pm

Lots of these in stock!

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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by 87Shark » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:12 pm

Went to the website thru the link. Clicked on bmw and Mercedes gears. What pops up...….page not found. Just an FYI.
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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by hornhospital » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:08 am

https://store.garagistic.com/e24-odomet ... ption=true

That _should_ take you directly to the E24 gear sets.
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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by dmac156 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:56 am

Well I can't say that I'm a fan of the Garagistic gears at this point. Is odometergear.com a different company? Maybe I will buy gears from them.

I installed and removed my speedometer 4 times tonight. When I assemble the first gear everything is very smooth, but the time I get all the gears together they feel like they are binding, but it feels like it could work. It's pretty difficult to get the clear plastic cover back on, which provides support for the outboard side of the gear shaft. It's difficult because the posts are pushed out due to the pressure from the gears, which must be a little too big. By the time I get that on, the gears are pushing against each other hard. I am able to move the odometer by spinning the small white gear, but it has a lot of resistance. After all that, I get back in the car and the odometer does not even turn. Ugh.

One part of the design that I don't like is that the original gear has a shoulder on it, and this set does not. They include a yellow sleeve that you are supposed to put over the gear. That shoulder seems like an afterthought to make up for the case where the gear rises up and disengages (as described in an earlier post), but it should have been part of the gear itself, like the original gear. However I don't think it's tall enough to keep the gear from rising up and disengaging.

Very disappointed. Don't know if I should pull the old gears out of another speedo that I have, or roll the dice on a different brand.

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Post by bpoliakoff » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:02 pm

I have for years "plugged" Jeff at odometer gears. His gears are machined rather than cast and are of ultra high quality. He is raved about in the e12 e28 communities. He can be reached by phone and is always more than glad to spend time when called. Are his gears more expensive then his competitor? Yes. But there is a reason. Need I say more?
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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by dmac156 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:20 pm

I ended up taking apart another speedometer that I had on the shelf, swapped the parts and everything worked perfectly (except that instead of having new gears, I now have 30 year old working gears). I checked the miles against a GPS app, and I was spot on.

Now after wasting an entire evening in the garage, another half hour reading through threads, and looking at all of my parts, I found out what was wrong. I was sent a 19/48 gear, and I should have been sent a 17/48. I guess the difference in the ratio is enough to change the location of the center point of the gear, which was deflecting the shaft (plus it would through off the readings), which makes it difficult to reinstall the cover.

My advice to anyone getting ready to do this job, If you have not pulled the speedometer before ordering, buy all of the gear combinations. Otherwise, assume your car is out of commission for a week while you figure out what gears you have, and wait for your shipment. Don't take the statement that "19 is the most common" to be true, it's a roll of the dice. The original gears have the gear ratio stamped on them, you don't have to count gears to determine which gears you have.

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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by garagistic » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:39 pm

dmac156 wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:20 pm
I ended up taking apart another speedometer that I had on the shelf, swapped the parts and everything worked perfectly (except that instead of having new gears, I now have 30 year old working gears). I checked the miles against a GPS app, and I was spot on.

Now after wasting an entire evening in the garage, another half hour reading through threads, and looking at all of my parts, I found out what was wrong. I was sent a 19/48 gear, and I should have been sent a 17/48. I guess the difference in the ratio is enough to change the location of the center point of the gear, which was deflecting the shaft (plus it would through off the readings), which makes it difficult to reinstall the cover.

My advice to anyone getting ready to do this job, If you have not pulled the speedometer before ordering, buy all of the gear combinations. Otherwise, assume your car is out of commission for a week while you figure out what gears you have, and wait for your shipment. Don't take the statement that "19 is the most common" to be true, it's a roll of the dice. The original gears have the gear ratio stamped on them, you don't have to count gears to determine which gears you have.
That advice to buy them all is good advice to ensure to get the job done in one sitting. This is why we put to count your gears in multiple places on the listing. You were sent a 19t because you ordered a 19t. There are too many variations, hence the "buy all option". Sorry for your wasted evening, we try to make it as clear as possible.

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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by hornhospital » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:38 pm

I've installed Garagistic gears in 4 E30s and 2 E24s with no difficulty, and all worked perfectly, first try. To be honest I've never used Odometer Gears products. I'm sure they are excellent.
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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by dmac156 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:55 pm

@Garagistic first of all, thanks for shipping out the other gear quickly and at a reasonable price. From what I've experienced and seen in this thread, you do respond quickly to customers, and take care of issues that are raised.

Second, with regards to the 19/48 being the most common, I'm curious if there is a different gear set for early vs. late e24s. The speedometers are completely different in appearance and size (perhaps they still have the same guts). It makes me wonder if the one appears to be more common is because people have had placed more orders for either the early, or late platform. The early e12 based car ran from '77- approx mid '82, the e28 based car ran from mid '82 or '83-89. The two speedos I have taken apart, my original from an '85 (the one I'm fixing), and one out of a scrap car from '86 both had 17/48. Makes me wonder if all e28 based speedos have the same gears.

@hornhospital - Honestly, I don't appreciate your comment, and don't find it constructive.

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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by hornhospital » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:02 am

Sorry you feel that way. I edited my posting to be more helpful and less harsh. I hope that is satisfactory to you.
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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by dmac156 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:18 pm

Thanks hornhospital.

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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by 87Shark » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:57 pm

I know this is an older thread, so just curious...has Garagistic posted a new discount code for their odometer gears? Tried the one shown earlier in this thread and it seems to have expired. Thanks
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Re: Whos e24 has a broken odometer? Odometer gears here!

Post by bpoliakoff » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:27 am

Try odometer gears.com Jeff Kaplan is a super guy and if you have a problem will walk you through it over the phone.
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