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Group interest - rear light frame seals
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Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
Ronnie
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Liverpool uk.
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Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
Ronnie, thanks for that, but we're looking for #4 which goes between the light frame and the body, not the #2 seal that goes between the lense and the frame.
Ken Kanne
'84 633CSi "Sylvia"; '85 635CSi "Katja";'85 325e "Hazel Ann"; '95 M3 "Ashlyn"
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Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
I think as has already been said, quite a few sites will list the light gaskets as being available, but when you actually order they come back and say that they are not.
I have a brand new right side seal that could be used as a pattern, the left being a mirror image (I believe). I've approached a couple of companies to see if a replica could be made, a couple sound promising. Based on rough estimates, for 100 pairs I think we'd be looking at about £150 per pair, obviously the more you make the cheaper each pair becomes. Once the mould is made subsequent batches would be cheaper too, so it would not depend too much on the size of the run.
However, it's probably best to wait a little longer and see if BMW are actually going to make these after all, if nothing happens in a few months then we can investigate possible avenues and see which is likely to be best.
I have a brand new right side seal that could be used as a pattern, the left being a mirror image (I believe). I've approached a couple of companies to see if a replica could be made, a couple sound promising. Based on rough estimates, for 100 pairs I think we'd be looking at about £150 per pair, obviously the more you make the cheaper each pair becomes. Once the mould is made subsequent batches would be cheaper too, so it would not depend too much on the size of the run.
However, it's probably best to wait a little longer and see if BMW are actually going to make these after all, if nothing happens in a few months then we can investigate possible avenues and see which is likely to be best.
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Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
Thanks guys.
Ronnie
Liverpool uk.
1986 635csi.
Bronze Beige Metallic.
Liverpool uk.
1986 635csi.
Bronze Beige Metallic.
Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
Ronnie, as Richard quite rightly points out, the seals remain advertised to order on many internet sites and even at BMW dealers but when placing the order the overall reply is that they are no longer available from BMW, this also applies for Wallothnesch.
I have a friend who works with rubber and plastics who is going to look into making up a test run in march as mentioned. The results will be posted.
Cheers
I have a friend who works with rubber and plastics who is going to look into making up a test run in march as mentioned. The results will be posted.
Cheers
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Fingers and toe's crossed Guido. Cheers.
Ronnie
Liverpool uk.
1986 635csi.
Bronze Beige Metallic.
Liverpool uk.
1986 635csi.
Bronze Beige Metallic.
Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
Sycamore BMW have now refunded my payment that was being held for the seal on backorder, having spoken with the parts manager at the dealership he said that BMW UK have told him that the seal will no longer be available and the part number has also been deleted from the system. He had no knowledge that BMW Classic are reproducing these and suggested ordering through them if what I have been told is indeed true.
Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
Received this from BMW Classic this morning after requesting technical specifications and dimensions for the part they were not going to reproduce.
Edit :
And a follow up after asking them to confirm as the English above is not exactly the best!
So that looks as though they ARE going to make them.Thank you kindly for your patience. We investigated your matter carefully and regret that we have no option to give you information about the dimension of the part number 63 21 1 360 465. Gladly it will be reproduced, so that you have the opportunity to preorder the desired part at any BMW dealership of your choice.
Edit :
And a follow up after asking them to confirm as the English above is not exactly the best!
Thank you kindly for your email. Gladly we can confirm that the part numbers 63 21 1 360 465 and 63 21 1 360 466 will be reproduced. We kindly ask for your understanding , that we have no information about, when they will be available in fact.
Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
So what do we do now? Re-order? And from a dealer? Or direct from BMW Classic themselves?
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Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
Well, based on the first reply quoted, I guess from the "dealership of your choice" - who will probably say it's NLA!
Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
Is it possible to take that "perfect" NOS item and make a mold for pourable silicone (I don't know the density or formulation) as a trial run?
Sansouci
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Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
I would imagine you could take a mould from it. The main problem would be getting the thing to stay still, it's quite floppy.
Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
Is there a multi-step process to create an ideal gasket to be used as a form for a mold. I know there are scanning processes to digitize any item as part of the molding process. We need to find someone with expertise......
Sansouci
84 E24 633Csi Auto, Bronzit/PearlBeige 6997510
93 E32 740il M60 Auto, Alpenweis/Ultramarine
60 528i M30 5-speed Green/Beige (crushed)
71 240Z 4-speed White/Blue (rusty & sold)
65 396 Chevelle 4-speed, Marina Blue/Black (stolen)
84 E24 633Csi Auto, Bronzit/PearlBeige 6997510
93 E32 740il M60 Auto, Alpenweis/Ultramarine
60 528i M30 5-speed Green/Beige (crushed)
71 240Z 4-speed White/Blue (rusty & sold)
65 396 Chevelle 4-speed, Marina Blue/Black (stolen)
Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
Latest reply from BMW Classic :
Sorry, we have many problems with the gaskets (PN 1360465 / 466).
We get a prototype from our supplier but the parts are not good.
We have find a new producer but he needs a new tool.
Possibly we get the new parts in the spring 2018, or later.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Best regards
Jens Ulbricht
BMW Group
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Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
I need one left gasket. In the meantime I am going to try and see it I can make one good one out of the two ragged ones. Thanks.
Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
Any news on these parts?
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'86 Lotus esprit Turbo (sold)
Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
As of 2 Jan 2019
We are on the subject, but we can't say today when we will be available the parts again.
Maybe it will take even longer, sorry.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Best regards
Jens Ulbricht
BMW Group
Jens Ulbricht
Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
Patiently waiting for these to be somehow reproduced.
- Ralph in Socal
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Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
In the process of moving my parts storage and I found a box with several of these rubber seals in good shape
Please accumulate orders for you country so I can ship to one person who can then distribute them. I have several of either side. Thanks
Ralph
Please accumulate orders for you country so I can ship to one person who can then distribute them. I have several of either side. Thanks
Ralph
There is a very fine line between "Hobby" and Mental Illness.
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88 528e Bronzit (Granpa Car)
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Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
I’ll take at least 4 of each side for people I know in the UK and myself.
Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
I’d like one of each side please.
They are ALWAYS rustier than you thought!!!!!!
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- Ralph in Socal
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Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
Please PM particulars. I’m pricing these at $40 each
I’ve done group shipment to Ron before so I know that works. Thanks
Ralph
I’ve done group shipment to Ron before so I know that works. Thanks
Ralph
There is a very fine line between "Hobby" and Mental Illness.
85 635csi Zinno Auto
84 528i Euro
83 635 Euro Arktik
81 528i Kastanien 5-speed
88 528e Bronzit (Granpa Car)
86 535i Auto (For Sale)
81 633 csi (retired)
85 635csi Zinno Auto
84 528i Euro
83 635 Euro Arktik
81 528i Kastanien 5-speed
88 528e Bronzit (Granpa Car)
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Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
How many of each side do you have?
- Ralph in Socal
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Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
For now I have 5 left side and 7 right side. Could increase as hopefully I have more somewhere else
Ralph
Ralph
There is a very fine line between "Hobby" and Mental Illness.
85 635csi Zinno Auto
84 528i Euro
83 635 Euro Arktik
81 528i Kastanien 5-speed
88 528e Bronzit (Granpa Car)
86 535i Auto (For Sale)
81 633 csi (retired)
85 635csi Zinno Auto
84 528i Euro
83 635 Euro Arktik
81 528i Kastanien 5-speed
88 528e Bronzit (Granpa Car)
86 535i Auto (For Sale)
81 633 csi (retired)
Re: Group interest - rear light frame seals
Left side is most important for me, on the M1 that’s above the exhaust and gets hotter. I think if I took out the left side rear light that the gasket would fall apart.