1984 633CSi Rises again!
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Really sorry to see this. There is a hood and driver's fender for sale in Sacramento on FB Marketplace - they are blue, but they look straight and pretty cheap.
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Thank you so much for the lead. I have sent a message to the person and will see how they respond. Sacramento is about 2.5 hours from me and it would be well worth the drive.
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1984 633CSi
Last 7 of VIN: 6997383
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Wow, New Zealand! I appreciate the message. Support from the forum can give me the fortitude to get through lots of bumps in the road. Each day I feel more confident that the shark will be back on the road.bm635csi wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:25 amThat upsetting Song ,I'm glad that you're OK though . We been watching your exceptional build from New Zealand , and I am sure you will have it back .songzunhuang wrote: ↑Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:32 am It is with a heavy heart that I post these pictures. ...
I will have the car good as new...stay tuned.
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1984 633CSi
Last 7 of VIN: 6997383
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Thanks for the tip! I've been in touch with Ralph and I'll run things by him first after I get the list of parts needed from the body shop. Anything I can't get from Ralph (although I expect it won't be too much he can't get), I'll be sure and reach out to Elias.Slownrusty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:33 am Ouch!
Sorry this happened but glad you're fine.
Definitely talk to Elias Gergy, he'll take care of you for the parts needed. He is dismantling an '87 right now and getting ready to cut the car-up and send it to the crusher.
I just need to wait for the list of parts from the body shop. I hope to get that list this week.
Hopefully very little goes to the crusher. We need parts to keep our rides on the road!
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1984 633CSi
Last 7 of VIN: 6997383
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Hello Song,
I am sorry to hear about the car. I was in a similar situation as you about a year ago. Less damage, someone backed into the driver fender wing and driver door. How does someone back into a parked car?
I always peek in your thread from time to time because our cars are the same year and I seem to be following your progression when it comes to replacing parts or fixing things. Though I haven't updated my thread in awhile, my car has been in different shops for almost 2 years now. (New transmission, paint, next window seals, etc.)
A lot of hammering will be needed and it may be cheaper just to find a replacement fender and hood than paying for the labor to bang them back into shape. This is what I did on mine, $100 fender vs labor to smack the original into shape with no promises.
If you do need to find parts, I use https://www.car-part.com/index.htm. It's mostly junk yards, you'll need to call them, and see if they do shipping if you do find a new fender.
If you can't find them, they do make carbon fiber wings and hoods. Wings are at https://www.xmoorcars.co.uk/product-category/exterior/ and the hood is at https://dtmfiberwerkz.com/index.php?rou ... uct_id=594
Good luck!
I am sorry to hear about the car. I was in a similar situation as you about a year ago. Less damage, someone backed into the driver fender wing and driver door. How does someone back into a parked car?
I always peek in your thread from time to time because our cars are the same year and I seem to be following your progression when it comes to replacing parts or fixing things. Though I haven't updated my thread in awhile, my car has been in different shops for almost 2 years now. (New transmission, paint, next window seals, etc.)
A lot of hammering will be needed and it may be cheaper just to find a replacement fender and hood than paying for the labor to bang them back into shape. This is what I did on mine, $100 fender vs labor to smack the original into shape with no promises.
If you do need to find parts, I use https://www.car-part.com/index.htm. It's mostly junk yards, you'll need to call them, and see if they do shipping if you do find a new fender.
If you can't find them, they do make carbon fiber wings and hoods. Wings are at https://www.xmoorcars.co.uk/product-category/exterior/ and the hood is at https://dtmfiberwerkz.com/index.php?rou ... uct_id=594
Good luck!
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Song,
Pre-pandemic I had a quote to do a full repaint with all the glass out for $20k. Of that, $5k was for materials, $10k for labor and $5k for parts such as trims, seals and unknowns. You may be able to paint the hood, nose and fender yourself. This time work in a paint booth to control the dust and insects. I know you can do it successfully. You did it once so you have some practice.
Enjoy your Father's Day. The 6 will get fixed!
Best of luck,
Ken
Pre-pandemic I had a quote to do a full repaint with all the glass out for $20k. Of that, $5k was for materials, $10k for labor and $5k for parts such as trims, seals and unknowns. You may be able to paint the hood, nose and fender yourself. This time work in a paint booth to control the dust and insects. I know you can do it successfully. You did it once so you have some practice.
Enjoy your Father's Day. The 6 will get fixed!
Best of luck,
Ken
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A Few Body Parts are In
Well, this weekend I was able to get a few pieces of the puzzle towards the restoration of the shark. I was able to find a hood, driver fender, and a few parts I didn't really need. Luckily these were near a relatives house and my relatives were visiting this weekend, so they picked it up and brought it over. A nice step forward.
So I spread out the bits and I have a hood and fender in really good shape. Of course it'll need to be repainted, but that's not a big deal. There's also a front bumper and a lower rear valance panel. I don't need those and will offer them up to anyone who needs them for cheap. Just sent me a PM.
I am planning to visit the body shop this week to get a first hand look at what else is needed, but I know the hood and fender were on the list. I'm excited to get these major bits in house.
So I spread out the bits and I have a hood and fender in really good shape. Of course it'll need to be repainted, but that's not a big deal. There's also a front bumper and a lower rear valance panel. I don't need those and will offer them up to anyone who needs them for cheap. Just sent me a PM.
I am planning to visit the body shop this week to get a first hand look at what else is needed, but I know the hood and fender were on the list. I'm excited to get these major bits in house.
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1984 633CSi
Last 7 of VIN: 6997383
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Re: 1984 633CSi Rises again!
Glad to see that you're getting things together Song
Almost the same color
Please keep us posted on your progress, which I know you will do
Almost the same color
Please keep us posted on your progress, which I know you will do
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Gonna Need a New Front End
Well, I got a chance to go see my sickly car at the body shop today. The damage was a bit worse than I had anticipated, but still salvageable I think.
First, they had to cut up the hood to remove it. I learned that there's a metal hook around the latch that keeps the hood from basically decapitating you in an accident! I'm glad it's there. With the parts removed, you can see the full extent of the damage. There are many bits to inspect further including my A/C condenser and battery. There were signs of contact on the battery. There's not a lot to salvage here. I was hoping that the radiator support was intact, but it looks like that got bent in and the radiator is contacting the orange cooling fan so that it cannot spin. In fact, the radiator is bent around the fan. Ugh. Final closeup of driver side area. I'm going to need to replace it all at this point. I can't see bending anything back here. I've reached out to Ralph to figure out what bits I can get and how to transport it from the LA area to the bodyshop in Mountainview. The saga continues. It'll be a while, but we can rebuild her!
First, they had to cut up the hood to remove it. I learned that there's a metal hook around the latch that keeps the hood from basically decapitating you in an accident! I'm glad it's there. With the parts removed, you can see the full extent of the damage. There are many bits to inspect further including my A/C condenser and battery. There were signs of contact on the battery. There's not a lot to salvage here. I was hoping that the radiator support was intact, but it looks like that got bent in and the radiator is contacting the orange cooling fan so that it cannot spin. In fact, the radiator is bent around the fan. Ugh. Final closeup of driver side area. I'm going to need to replace it all at this point. I can't see bending anything back here. I've reached out to Ralph to figure out what bits I can get and how to transport it from the LA area to the bodyshop in Mountainview. The saga continues. It'll be a while, but we can rebuild her!
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Ugh, not pretty
Song, curious what shop you are using, as the green beast was repaired and a complete repaint at Autobahn, basically right behind BMW of Mountain View
Song, curious what shop you are using, as the green beast was repaired and a complete repaint at Autobahn, basically right behind BMW of Mountain View
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Re: 1984 633CSi Rises again!
actually these photos show a lot of good news. it looks like your impact was all above the frame rail - straightening that out is a big pain to deal with, and the impact looks like it would have definitely exceeded the 5mph bumper shocks' capabilities.
a new nose and rad support will be necessary, but that's the only major non-bolt on thing that will need to be done. I see a couple complete nose sections on ebay for a couple hundred bucks each.
a new nose and rad support will be necessary, but that's the only major non-bolt on thing that will need to be done. I see a couple complete nose sections on ebay for a couple hundred bucks each.
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No, I had to call around a few shops before finding one willing to take on a car of this age. It's not any of those shops you listed and the jury is out on the job they will do so I don't want to say who it is yet. If they do a good job, great! If not, then... Either way, I'll let you know.
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1984 633CSi
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Thanks for your observations. I was dumbfounded that there wasn't a mark on the bumper! It looks like the headlight and nose took all the damage. I think the bumper went under the other car. Good news is that I think you are right that the frame didn't take much of the impact. Ralph has a new nose for me and I am ordering a new radiator, lights, etc. The trick is transport from LA, which is about 6-7 hours away depending on traffic.kronus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:00 am actually these photos show a lot of good news. it looks like your impact was all above the frame rail - straightening that out is a big pain to deal with, and the impact looks like it would have definitely exceeded the 5mph bumper shocks' capabilities.
a new nose and rad support will be necessary, but that's the only major non-bolt on thing that will need to be done. I see a couple complete nose sections on ebay for a couple hundred bucks each.
If anyone out there has advice on where to cut or if there's a thread with the info and pictures, that would be greatly appreciated. The body shop hasn't been super communicative and I am just trusting them at this point. I guess when the replacement nose comes in, we will have a good idea of what needs to be removed/replaced. Anyhow, I have some time to research this before things start to show up.
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1984 633CSi
Last 7 of VIN: 6997383
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1984 633CSi
Last 7 of VIN: 6997383
Re: 1984 633CSi Rises again!
Song,
What soldering station did you use to make your circuit board repairs? I hope the body work is moving ahead successfully. We're all praying for you.
Ken
What soldering station did you use to make your circuit board repairs? I hope the body work is moving ahead successfully. We're all praying for you.
Ken
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71 240Z 4-speed White/Blue (rusty & sold)
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Song,
When you replaced the transmission cross shaft seal, was there a nut or washer to hold the seal in place? Mine is leaking and it doesn't look like it has either. Let me know as I have the seals.
Ken
When you replaced the transmission cross shaft seal, was there a nut or washer to hold the seal in place? Mine is leaking and it doesn't look like it has either. Let me know as I have the seals.
Ken
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93 E32 740il M60 Auto, Alpenweis/Ultramarine
60 528i M30 5-speed Green/Beige (crushed)
71 240Z 4-speed White/Blue (rusty & sold)
65 396 Chevelle 4-speed, Marina Blue/Black (stolen)
84 E24 633Csi Auto, Bronzit/PearlBeige 6997510
93 E32 740il M60 Auto, Alpenweis/Ultramarine
60 528i M30 5-speed Green/Beige (crushed)
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Re: 1984 633CSi Rises again!
No, the seal was in there tight and it was very hardened. I had to use a drywall screw and then pliers to lever it out and it shattered like hard plastic. I just used the appropriate diameter socket to tap the new seal in. The gear selector lever goes over it so that probably keeps it from popping out, although I don't think there's a lot of pressure in there to push it out. Since my replacement, it's been dry from that spot.
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I bought mine a long time ago from a Radio Shack! That store doesn't exist anymore. However, searching on Amazon, this is pretty close. https://smile.amazon.com/MMOBIEL-Helpin ... 570&sr=8-7
I remember paying like $30 for it. What I really needed was the magnifying glass so that I could see the joints better. Also separately I got a soldering iron with a small pointy tip. My normal Weller pistol unit was too big. I discovered it doesn't take much heat for the tiny solder blobs to reflow.
I looked for any cracks between the pins and the solder. When it wasn't obvious, I just reflowed it anyway. You just have to touch it for a second or two. The trickiest part was remembering which joints had been done! There were so many in the ECU. I did find one leg to a power transistor that had a really weird solder joint. It looked liked there was some metal wrapped around a leg and there was a bit of a hollow part in the solder. To that joint, I added more solder.
OK, that's what I recall.
Oh that last comment - praying - is a bit strong! I am not doing much right now, just waiting for and gathering parts. I've been purchasing things and noticing how much more expensive they have become. For example, I remember buying a Nissens radiator for about $180 when I got the car. I just ordered one from FCP for $214. There's not much more to update until I get parts. Been kinda quiet.
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Song Huang
1984 633CSi
Last 7 of VIN: 6997383
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1984 633CSi
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Re: 1984 633CSi Rises again!
Song,
My shaft seal is leaking on the other side which only has the shaft but no control rod. I will replace both at the same time for good measure. I've been looking at a Hakko or knock off station that is temperature controlled with a variety of tips and of course a strong magnifier.
Regards,
Ken
My shaft seal is leaking on the other side which only has the shaft but no control rod. I will replace both at the same time for good measure. I've been looking at a Hakko or knock off station that is temperature controlled with a variety of tips and of course a strong magnifier.
Regards,
Ken
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84 E24 633Csi Auto, Bronzit/PearlBeige 6997510
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60 528i M30 5-speed Green/Beige (crushed)
71 240Z 4-speed White/Blue (rusty & sold)
65 396 Chevelle 4-speed, Marina Blue/Black (stolen)
84 E24 633Csi Auto, Bronzit/PearlBeige 6997510
93 E32 740il M60 Auto, Alpenweis/Ultramarine
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Ralph to the Rescue!
Today I met up with Ralph and got the final bits needed to really go after the repair of my car.
First, I had to include this picture to prove that you can actually get the entire front nose of an e24 into the interior of a 5 series, if you remove the seats! As for the hood, it didn't fit in our SUV and I had to tie it to the roof rack for the 40 minute drive to the shop. All the bits are dropped off at the shop and I'll be in touch with the shop owner next week to see where we go from here. I believe he'll get my car on a frame machine to pull out some of the front just so we can remove the radiator, which was wrapped around the cooling fan. Then based on the nose I got, he'll figure out where to cut or drill out various spot welds to get the front end off. I'm just glad we are moving on to the next step. It's been 2 months since my accident.
Stay tuned for a shark repair...
First, I had to include this picture to prove that you can actually get the entire front nose of an e24 into the interior of a 5 series, if you remove the seats! As for the hood, it didn't fit in our SUV and I had to tie it to the roof rack for the 40 minute drive to the shop. All the bits are dropped off at the shop and I'll be in touch with the shop owner next week to see where we go from here. I believe he'll get my car on a frame machine to pull out some of the front just so we can remove the radiator, which was wrapped around the cooling fan. Then based on the nose I got, he'll figure out where to cut or drill out various spot welds to get the front end off. I'm just glad we are moving on to the next step. It's been 2 months since my accident.
Stay tuned for a shark repair...
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Re: 1984 633CSi Rises again!
Was a little bit cramped in there with shark nose co-pilot.
Progress Song!!
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The Operation Begins - a new Shark nose
Today I got to visit the sick shark and see what it looks like when the nose is off!
First, I am glad to report that there was no sign of frame damage. It was all sheet metal as I had hoped. Approaching the car, you can tell something is not normal! The front of the car had been pulled, straightening what was save-able and all of the bent metal had been cut off. Well, save for a bit of the nose on the passenger side, but that will be gone in time. It looks like they were able to save the battery tray, which was folded, and get it reasonably straight again. I had a conversation with the guy doing the work. Turns out he's been at this for close to 40 years. I didn't question, just listened to his idea and thinking process. He was going to save as much as he can. In this shot, you can see how the radiator was wrapped around the fan. It's amazing that it didn't leak at all, even if the radiator is toast. Here's another shot straight on from the front. It looks so different missing all the front bits. This is a temporary phase. We will build it back! According to the body man, he'll have this done inside of two days. Then it'll be time to turn it over to paint. I'm going to try and get some pics along the way. It's been challenging since the shop is not close to my house. In any case, I am excited to see the carnage and progress.
First, I am glad to report that there was no sign of frame damage. It was all sheet metal as I had hoped. Approaching the car, you can tell something is not normal! The front of the car had been pulled, straightening what was save-able and all of the bent metal had been cut off. Well, save for a bit of the nose on the passenger side, but that will be gone in time. It looks like they were able to save the battery tray, which was folded, and get it reasonably straight again. I had a conversation with the guy doing the work. Turns out he's been at this for close to 40 years. I didn't question, just listened to his idea and thinking process. He was going to save as much as he can. In this shot, you can see how the radiator was wrapped around the fan. It's amazing that it didn't leak at all, even if the radiator is toast. Here's another shot straight on from the front. It looks so different missing all the front bits. This is a temporary phase. We will build it back! According to the body man, he'll have this done inside of two days. Then it'll be time to turn it over to paint. I'm going to try and get some pics along the way. It's been challenging since the shop is not close to my house. In any case, I am excited to see the carnage and progress.
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Last 7 of VIN: 6997383
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Progress is progress!
While the fenders are off, see if you can extend your sunroof drain hose and give the fender fender internals some sort of anti-rust coating to keep them happy for years to come.
While the fenders are off, see if you can extend your sunroof drain hose and give the fender fender internals some sort of anti-rust coating to keep them happy for years to come.
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Thanks for the tip. I'll look for those items the next time I am at the shop.
I'll be good to see it all come together again.
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Wow, quite the progress indeed
Song, curious if your 6er was totaled by your insurance company or not
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Song, curious if your 6er was totaled by your insurance company or not
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Re: 1984 633CSi Rises again!
Aren't the sunroof drains running down the C pillar? Or do I need to clean out drains in the front?
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