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Help with Part Number Very Thin Seals

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Please help identify the rubber seals for parts A, B and C in the diagram.

Parts A and C are the very thin strips.

This is the right hand side of a 1982 628csi Euro

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http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showpar ... Id=41_0510

Could it be part of 3 & 4? Dunno for sure.
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Had a look on RealOEM too and couldn't be sure - the diagram is unclear.
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I had replaced that same part on my 87 vert and the metal piece came with the rubber attached. Not sure about the shark though
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Re: Help with Part Number Very Thin Seals

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askd9280 wrote:Please help identify the rubber seals for parts A, B and C in the diagram.

Parts A and C are the very thin strips.
Part A # 51 21 1 870 067.

L/H Rear 51371871737 (You cannot get just the rubber seal. It comes complete with the alloy channel).
R/H Rear 51371871738 (Same as above).

Part B L/H # 51211873461 (Alloy channel and seal).
Part B R/H # 51211873462 -----------"-------------

I think Part C is the same as Part A but I can't find it on the breakdown!

Please note that the rubber seal sections that are crimped into the alloy channels have a different x-section front and rear. I have tried sourcing these sections throughout the UK with no success. Somewhere in Germany there is a place that has hundreds of metres of the seals!!
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A good friend of mine in the UK has just had some specialist door seals made up for him for an E26/1 M1. The seals were unavailable from BMW so he found a company that would make them up; he is very particular but very pleased with the results.

The company has asked if he needed any other seals doing so if we could get some samples of just the rubber bits from the window seals to him we might get some made up?

Anyone got some old front and rear bits they wouldn't mind slicing a section of rubber from?
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sharkfan wrote: Anyone got some old front and rear bits they wouldn't mind slicing a section of rubber from?
Yes.
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I might be in for a set. Mine are in good nick, but that can quickly change and I have a full body re-spray on my mind. That would mean stripping the trim and that is when things like that can tear.

Having good spares might well be worth it.

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Got it.

Thanks everyone for the help.
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Give us a ring when you get a chance Ron and will get the samples sent away.
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I was speaking to Ron about this subject just recently.
I came across this thread about the door seal availability .
http://forum.6ercoupe.de/index.php?id=125840
In it it is suggested that the door seal can be got here .
http://www.doepper-profile.de/

And to save you spending a weekend trying to find 104C .....
http://www.doepper-profile.de/artikelde ... htdichtung

If anyone has an original section and could compare dimensions then we may be closer to finding the holy grail.
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Holy cow! GREAT find, Don! =D>

I hope someone can confirm. I would buy about 4 meters, just to make sure I have plenty to spare.

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I can cut some off a yard car if Ron doesn't come up with any. Unfortunately the pair I have and the ones on the cars are in good shape so I can't cut any off of mine.


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Years ago I had 40 or 50 sets of those seals made as they directly will replace the originals. Here is where it gets interesting. The back side of the rubber that rubs against the window is flocked so the window won’t get scratched. Mine were, and very expensive to make. However I was still able to sell them for 1/2 of what it would cost from BMW that included the chrome moulding. I sold all I could get at $175 the pair versus BMW at over $500 the pair. BMW at one point did drop it’s price on the molding and seal. So If someone is going to have these made, deal with the flocking issue. An extruded piece of rubber is not expensive to produce once the die is made. A proper seal of this type is. Maybe prices are less in the UK?? I should add that finding someone who will do minimal amounts at a reasonable cost is difficult.

If you guys have a guy willing to do this, how about getting the expensive seals that go around the door opening made? That would be a high demand item if you can get a good bit under BMW’s price
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olympia57 wrote:I was speaking to Ron about this subject just recently.
I came across this thread about the door seal availability .
http://forum.6ercoupe.de/index.php?id=125840
In it it is suggested that the door seal can be got here .
http://www.doepper-profile.de/

And to save you spending a weekend trying to find 104C .....
http://www.doepper-profile.de/artikelde ... htdichtung

If anyone has an original section and could compare dimensions then we may be closer to finding the holy grail.
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Open them in Google Chrome. It will then give you the option to translate them to English (or many other languages).
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This one gives measurements and is flocked, so it could be what we are all looking for.

Does anyone have an old car with deteriorating seals that could be removed and measured?

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Great find has anybody actually used these seals as replacement I've just placed an order but noticed it has a metal strip in it in the description, I'm happy to get it and give it a go to see if it works

olympia57 wrote:I was speaking to Ron about this subject just recently.
I came across this thread about the door seal availability .
http://forum.6ercoupe.de/index.php?id=125840
In it it is suggested that the door seal can be got here .
http://www.doepper-profile.de/

And to save you spending a weekend trying to find 104C .....
http://www.doepper-profile.de/artikelde ... htdichtung

If anyone has an original section and could compare dimensions then we may be closer to finding the holy grail.
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104C above is nowhere near the dimensions of the OEM seals. I'll get some samples sent off to the German site and see what they come up with.
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Woohoo!!! I am very interested to find out what you hear from the vendor, Ron.

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I've just found this site in Australia. Is there any OZ member able to go and check whether they have the correct profile seals for the window scrapers?

http://www.scottsoldautorubber.com.au/
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These are the sections we need. I've sent these pics to Germany. Will update when they reply.

Front 2 metres reqd.

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Rear 1.5 metres reqd.

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Well done Ron , thanks for making the effort on this , we're all watching .
Sorry I missed your calls .
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I've had a reply from the German site and unfortunately they have nothing that is close to our seals.

The hunt continues and I'm still hoping that the Australian site might have something.

Any joy yet Oz?
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